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To: Southack
First of all, using logic, whatever ID does or doesn't claim/predict has no bearing on whether or not Evolutionary Theory is itself flawed. If one must prove ID in order to falsify ET to you, then you are stepping outside the scientific process into the land of dogma.

True. Proving ID does not disprove evolution. Neither does it displace it.
1. ID is not science, so it is not a competing theory.
2. ID is not mutually exclusive with evolution. The Creator could have created the world before evolution began.
3. Evolution is the best scientific explanation. It is predictive, descriptive, and falsifiable. It also satisfies Occam's razor wrt ID. It explains MORE than ID, and predicts MORE than ID.

Second, Intelligent Design DOES make predictions, and you've been shown at least one of those predictions on an earlier thread. It's a shame that I have to repeat it to you, but Intelligent Design predicts that speciation events will occur rapidly (i.e., a designer introduces a new model).

1. Please provide a statement of ID. What does your theory SAY? You have never provided this. What specifically was designed, how, and when?
2. How does your prediction flow from the theory? Why must we expect fast transitions and not slow ones - how do we know what the abilities or preferenes of the creator are?

Third, ID is falsifiable. If we can show that DNA can not be formed by intelligent processes in the lab, then ID is doomed.

Since it is impossible to prove a negative, this does not qualify.

If we can show that all speciation events happened over extremely long time periods, then ID is doomed.

Why does this follow? Can the Creator create slowly? If so, why couldn't the creator create everything slowly? You are not being specific enough about your theory to be able to evaluate these claims.

The converse of the Third Point above is fairly interesting. Evolutionary Theory needs to show that DNA for a life form can form naturally (abiogenically) in the lab. That's never been done.

That does not mean that it is impossible. Absence of evidence is not proof.

238 posted on 03/07/2002 12:25:27 PM PST by cracker
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To: cracker
"ID is not science, so it is not a competing theory."

Any theory that is scientifically falsifiable is scientific. ID can be falsified by several methods. In the distant past, ID was considered to be falsified by scientists because speciation events were claimed to happen slowly, contrary to the prediction of ID for rapid speciation (i.e. a designer introduces a new model car/life form/whatever).

Now that we know that speciation events happen rapidly, ID must once again be considered. The earlier falsification claim was in error, per our fossil record.

241 posted on 03/07/2002 12:33:02 PM PST by Southack
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