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To: tallhappy
Anything descrepancies that might ralistically be observed would cause a modification of theory rather than dumping it.

And were enough discrepancies produced, resulting in enough modifications, the theory as it exists now would become something else entirely. But at that point the new theory would still (presumably) be the best scientific explanation.

Suffice it to say that evolution is falsifiable. Evolution makes predictions that can be tested, and there are DNA results, radiometric datings, fossil records, etc. all of which may result in the theory being tweaked or modified. But nothing, in 150 years, has displaced the fundamental roles of mutation, speciation, and natural selection.

ID cannot make the same claims - it does not predict, and it is not falsifiable.

224 posted on 03/07/2002 11:47:43 AM PST by cracker
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To: cracker
How is evolution falsifiable?

Realistically in terms of experiments that can be done or observations made.

It seems Darwin's predictions have been proven wrong, but that only causes the theory to be reassessed.

Gradual change over timne was not seen, so punctuated equilibrium is proposed etc...

I do not think there is anything that could falsify the theory.

Evolution and ID are really paradigms, not theory.

228 posted on 03/07/2002 11:58:34 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: cracker
ID cannot make the same claims - it does not predict, and it is not falsifiable.

Hey I wear work boots but it would seem to me that ID's claims of irreducibility can be falsified. You simply have to show how something they claim to be irreducible can occur naturally, no?

Evolution on the other hand would seem to be tougher to falsify since it just sprouts a new branch.

230 posted on 03/07/2002 12:03:21 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: cracker
"ID cannot make the same claims - it does not predict, and it is not falsifiable."

First of all, using logic, whatever ID does or doesn't claim/predict has no bearing on whether or not Evolutionary Theory is itself flawed. If one must prove ID in order to falsify ET to you, then you are stepping outside the scientific process into the land of dogma.

Second, Intelligent Design DOES make predictions, and you've been shown at least one of those predictions on an earlier thread. It's a shame that I have to repeat it to you, but Intelligent Design predicts that speciation events will occur rapidly (i.e., a designer introduces a new model).

Third, ID is falsifiable. If we can show that DNA can not be formed by intelligent processes in the lab, then ID is doomed. If we can show that all speciation events happened over extremely long time periods, then ID is doomed.

Evolutionary Theory once made the claim that speciation events occurred over very long time periods. That claim was accepted as a reason to falsify ID.

But the fossil record didn't comply. So many rapid speciation events were uncovered in our fossil records that a new Evoutionary Theory was required to replace Darwinism. That theory is known today as Punctuated Equilibrium, which coincidentally makes the same prediction about speciation speed as does Intelligent Design.


The converse of the Third Point above is fairly interesting. Evolutionary Theory needs to show that DNA for a life form can form naturally (abiogenically) in the lab.

That's never been done.

232 posted on 03/07/2002 12:06:09 PM PST by Southack
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