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To: Jean Chauvin
Some in the denomination argued that Paul was a wuss and didn't want to ruffle feathers,

Paul wasn't ever cowed by anyone in the entire book of Acts or in any of his letters. He stood firmly for what he believed and put his neck on the block by appealing to Caesar.

What denomination was it that you just left? If Paul had wanted to ordain women as elders he would not have been afraid to at all. He had some fine prospects in Priscilla and Lydia, too. But we're not told that he did.

Some day, I imagine, they'll kick me out of mine. Then I'll probably go to someplace that'll accept a "free will, 2nd work, post-millenial, male elder, connected churches, bible inerrancy, evangelical." Anyone know a denomination like that?

273 posted on 02/27/2002 12:14:14 PM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
connected churches

do you mean FCCM?

278 posted on 02/27/2002 12:25:30 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: xzins
Some day, I imagine, they'll kick me out of mine. Then I'll probably go to someplace that'll accept a "free will, 2nd work, post-millenial, male elder, connected churches, bible inerrancy, evangelical." Anyone know a denomination like that?

Could ya drop the Free will and add Sovereign Grace?? :>)

280 posted on 02/27/2002 12:28:26 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: xzins; OrthodoxPresbyterian; RnMomof7; Ward Smythe; CCWoody; the_doc
OK, looks as if we have clarification of what Calvinists mean when they speak about "Total Depravity". Now can we get the Arminian objection in one sentence?
282 posted on 02/27/2002 12:29:47 PM PST by Jerry_M
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To: xzins
"Paul wasn't ever cowed by anyone in the entire book of Acts or in any of his letters. He stood firmly for what he believed and put his neck on the block by appealing to Caesar."

You are most absolutely correct, which is why that argument was so thoroughly disgusting!

"What denomination was it that you just left?"

CRC and it's actually been several years now.

The most appalling thing is how their decision came about.

In 1990, the CRC 'synod' opened up all offices to women. According to the Church Order, this decision requires a subsequent 'synod' to affirm this decision. Normally, that would happen at the next synod, but due to the sensitive issue (It had been debated for some 25 years at that point), they decided to wait two years. In 1992, the CRC Synod rejected the change which occurred in 1990. Now, according to the CRC church order, New and Compelling Evidence must be presented in order for the issue even to be brought up again! Needless to say, they broke their own rules by brining it up again (no new evidence or new grounds) and by passing it. That is when I left.

Jean

290 posted on 02/27/2002 12:39:38 PM PST by Jean Chauvin
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To: xzins
Yeah, except for that post-mill (try pre-mill) part. And you forgot the pre-trib rapture (silent 1st second coming). The 2nd second coming is loud and everybody knows it globally instantaneously.
379 posted on 02/28/2002 1:03:06 AM PST by raygun
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