Posted on 02/25/2002 11:01:41 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
Now you're just gonna have to wait for changes until I finish the chart. HTML's new to me and the going's slow. Get back with me on it after I post the 6th/7th Wesleyan Points.
Romans 10:9&10 + Points 2 & 3 of above Arminian construct. There's your answer. Now come back and explain it to me.
886 posted on 3/1/02 9:30 AM Pacific by xzins
- Omitted
- Christ provided a universal opportunity by dying for all men and for every man such that ALL those who turn to him as true repentant believers are saved.
- Man is so depraved that foreplanned divine intervention and preceding divine grace are necessary to bring about faith or any good deed.
Given your definitions, a person must turn to Christ as a repentant believer to be saved (#2). Plus, because a man is so depraved, divine intervention and preceding divine grace are necessary [before] faith or any good deed, even the "good deed" of turning to Christ as a true repentant believer (#3).
Therefore, in order for a man to believe from his heart unto salvation, God must intervene in that man’s life prior to that man exercising saving faith.
If this is correct, then please provide your scriptural evidence for this preceding divine grace. If this is incorrect, then please correct for your beliefs.
Your argument is that Ward must either be a Calvinist or a Latter-Day Saint, there are no other choices. Tell the truth, Woody. Show some respect for the truth.
Your effort to put an accusation in every post is leading to some really silly posts.
That's not very nice, Terry.
Glad you and Jerry agree with me that murder, incest, and adultery are sinful.
I do not think so or there would be less back slapping good ole boy's going on!
The difference is we know the answer to them
He is not asking you for the truth, and he does not have more respect for LDS theology.
Why do you say these things? Just to have an accusation in every post? Where is your regard for the truth? How can you expect Ward, or anyone else, to look to you for truth when you post like this?
Like I said, you only succeed in poisoning your own well. Really bad this time.
Well truth may not be an issue for all of you but it is for me. He has demonstrated a consistent desire to measure us against you and the LDS..I refuse and rebuke that comparison.
Where is your regard for the truth?
That would be funny if it was not so sad!
You and I and the other Calvinists are a team, Terry! We all agree that murder, incest, and adultery are sinful, and we agree on a great many other things. You're stuck with me! You have an association with Latter-Day Saints that you just can't shake off, however hard you try!
We are not a team .Please do not say we are a team!
We are citizens with a common interest in an orderly society and nothing more
I have NO relationship with the LDS ...now you would not be baiting me to get me banned would you WM??
Please remind me of questions again later in the week. Thanks.
That's not true. I ask again, where is your regard for the truth?
You have demonstrated a consistent desire to tell him he can't have his views because I am posting here too.
We're a team, Terry! You're stuck with me!
Back later.
Now, Woody, don't force me to hunt down our posts where you state that you did not believe in the two natured man (as found in Romans 7) and thought it absurd! Since you seem so fond of old posts I am sure you can link me to one that states you believed Romans 7 was teaching that?
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