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"A Betrayal" - Some advice for Bush on campaign-finance reform legislation.
The National Review ^ | February 20, 2002 | National Review Editors

Posted on 02/21/2002 6:22:01 AM PST by rightwing2

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To: sam_paine, sonofliberty2
I don't understand the schizophrenia of you folks. You advocate saving the GOP by vetoing a bill that was brought to you by the GOP!!!

Not true. This is a Democrat bill which was sponsored by the RINO princeling himself, Sen. John McShame. Most Republicans voted to kill it and will do so again in the Senate. The question is will this Democrat Incumbent Protection Act be signed by a Republican President? The answer from all indications appears to be yes. Then, you can blame Bush for killing the GOP and accept a lot of new applicants to whatever third party you represent.

I wish people would stop using the terms "republican" and "conservative" interchangeably. They are no longer the same.

Obviously, you did not read my post #1 or you would know that you are preaching to the choir on this one. Conservative Republicans are still very much worth voting for. Of course, Bush is no conservative--a point I have been pressing home since before he first declared his candidacy in 1999.
81 posted on 02/21/2002 7:59:59 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
Post #58 is made to order for you. It is time for the Bush apologists to end their excuses.

Nope. He ain't gonna sign it.
If you win, I can say you're right.
If I win , I expect you to do the same.
He won't sign it.

82 posted on 02/21/2002 8:00:36 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Dog
On another thread here I see the title: House Dems make plans to circumvent campaign reform .

This reform bill stinks to high heaven, and the longer it is seen as being "in play" (under serious consideration and likely to happen), the more people will realize this.

If Bush says he will veto it, then (some liberal) people will stop considering this bill for what it is, and start thinking of it as a "dead man walking -- a good bill on death row, condemned by Bush, he of the big money interests."

If Bush leaves this bill in play, then some of those folks will begin to see, in various ways, how the bill ain't so hot, and become more ambivalent about it. Heck they might even learn a thing or two.

I sometimes do the same thing when training people at work, or when raising kids. Let them play the hand out, as far as possible, with no reassurance that there is any safety net. That makes the lesson more real. And sometimes, the net isn't needed anyway, and they get the additional reinforcement of having done the right thing, completed the tough task, on their own.

As soon as you even hint that "it's ok -- Daddy will cover for you", the whole dynamics change.

83 posted on 02/21/2002 8:02:38 AM PST by ThePythonicCow
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To: rightwing2
President Bush has to do more than just veto this. He has to forcefully make the case that this is a bad bill, and forcefully make the case for something better. So far he has done neither.

We are in a war between two completely different visions of reality. The Democrats see this clearly and so do Conservatives.

Conventional Republicans (such as Bush, Sr.) do not see it at all. They are moderate "consensus builders" and "better managers". That works for municipal government, but not for the nation's President.

We are about to find out if the son can transcend the father. If he does not, we may win the war on terror but lose our nation anyway.

84 posted on 02/21/2002 8:03:59 AM PST by EternalHope
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To: rightwing2
Bush send the bill back and make them get it right!!!!
85 posted on 02/21/2002 8:04:17 AM PST by linn37
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To: Lazamataz
I think my one opinion may reflect hundreds of thousands of people out there.

You mean less than 1%, right. Perhaps. But unprincipled liberals are wiser than conservatives like Lazz. They know we are in a war and stick together even if they don't agree with everything their candidate does. Disgusting? Of course, but they keep moving that ball down the field don't they? So, Lazz would let Hillary Clinton win rather than vote for Bush, right? Give me a break. Until conservatives get smarter and operate as a coalition the liberals will continue to plod along and cram their agenda down our throats.

All this emotion and no one knows what Bush will do. Let's hope Bush does the right thing and vetoes this stupid idiotic bill so we don't lose Lazz and others to whatever reincarnation of Buchanan emerges in 2004. Of course if it's not this vote, it will be something else I suppose that ticks them off. There's just no pleasing everyone.

86 posted on 02/21/2002 8:07:09 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Dog
...by sending out the word he will sign it....he is telling the House and Senate GOP he won't do their dirty work..

Thank you for considering the realities of politics!!! Something that seems VERY rare on this board.

87 posted on 02/21/2002 8:08:32 AM PST by sam_paine
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To: linn37
Bush send the bill back and make them get it right!!!!

Yes. That's what he will do.
People can rant and rave, but Bush will come out smelling like a rose.
Sorry libertarians and DU disrupters. Maybe next "scandle." After all, McVain has already threatoned one. You'll get another chance.

88 posted on 02/21/2002 8:09:16 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: plain talk
You didn't read the rest of the sentence, did you? He justified it with:

because then I will have the choice between someone who will gut the bill of rights and someone who did gut the bill of rights.

Actions speak much louder than words.

89 posted on 02/21/2002 8:11:06 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Dog
Ya know, that's the first sane explaination of not vetoing I've heard.

If that's the case, the better move would be to neither sign nor veto.

90 posted on 02/21/2002 8:13:10 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: rightwing2
Of course, Bush is no conservative--a point I have been pressing home since before he first declared his candidacy in 1999.

Good for you. So exactly which electable candidate IS a true conservative in your eyes?? (HINT: Reagan can't run again.)

91 posted on 02/21/2002 8:13:49 AM PST by sam_paine
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To: sam_paine
Now, if Bush needed weak-kneed GOP Congresscritters take the heat and kill the bill, would he run around reassuring everyone that he'd safely veto it if it gets to his desk??? OR would he HAVE to signal them that whatever they pass could become law?

IF it is a deliberate strategy it is brilliant, and you are right: it's the only way to perform a spine implantation in the Senate. But these retreats, both the Member's only one and the COS one, usually are held out of press earshot to be candid with one another and the administration. That's why it makes me uneasy: normally you wouldn't hear anything about this retreat anywhere in the press, and if partipants think the events are being manipulated they lose their value. Assuming it isn't a deliberate lie, (and Roll Call would normally talk to several sources from different offices to confirm the statement) the administration is taking a risk that folks won't believe what they say in future "let's lay all our cards on the table" meetings.

The only thing for us to do is not get complacent about what Bush will do either way and keep pushing the White House to veto.

92 posted on 02/21/2002 8:15:46 AM PST by justanotherfreeper
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To: plain talk
You mean less than 1%, right.

I don't think Messr. Bush can afford 'less than 1%' of his voting base.

He won by 500 or so votes.

If he signs the bill, he loses my vote. Cause and effect.

93 posted on 02/21/2002 8:16:50 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: concerned about politics
There are millions of conservative republicans like me who have at least a fair understanding of what is going on in politics. You remember when Dubya's dad went on television and said we will have to have some "REVENUE ENHANCERS"???? I looked at my brother and said Bush just lost the next election. At that moment, he had a 70% approval rating. My brother laughed at me. He apologized long ago.
94 posted on 02/21/2002 8:19:51 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: Lazamataz
laz would you tather have al gore sign this? Because he'd love to.
95 posted on 02/21/2002 8:21:27 AM PST by Leclair10
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To: Magnum44
Since this is still speculation, and I would hope that you would weigh your choices (including the impacts of not voting) at election time (not 2 years before), I won't judge your predisposition now.

If he signs this bill, he loses my vote. Only two things could subsequently change my mind:


96 posted on 02/21/2002 8:21:59 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: rightwing2
van you name a hard right president right wing cause reagan raised taxes three times.
97 posted on 02/21/2002 8:22:29 AM PST by Leclair10
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To: Leclair10
laz would you tather have al gore sign this? Because he'd love to.

If Bush signs it, how does that differ from Gore signing it?

In both scenarios, the First Amendment is gutted.

If Bush signs this legislation, he loses my vote in 2004.

98 posted on 02/21/2002 8:23:03 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: plain talk
You just dont get it do you?? You think Lazz and I will vote for some whacko libertarian or some hybrid thereof?? NO sir, I will not vote for ANY president. I will not be masturbated by the president of my own party. !!
100 posted on 02/21/2002 8:25:03 AM PST by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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