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To: SoCal Pubbie
Let me start off by confirming that I believe this whole affair was WRONG and ILLEGAL. However, I think that is a subject much overblown and publicized for an agenda beyond the love of civil rights.

Thanks for that acknowledgement. I share that appraisal of the "civil rights" situation. I think the way to address (or shall we say..."redress"?) civil rights problems is enforcement of the due process amendment of the US Constitution. In the case of the INCARCERATION of Americans of Japanese descent, it clearly was UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Isn't it true that Americans of Japanese descent were compensated not once, but THREE times for the wrongs commited against them?

No it is not true. In fact, most of the injured were not compensated because most had died prior to enactment of the reparations/apology bill in 1988 by Ronald Reagan. What are the three compensations that you are referring to?

And isn't it also true that these were in fact relocation camps, which the people could move from as long as they did not live in the six (I think) states which were off limits? Absolutely FALSE. These were not CAMPS. They were Prisons. Inmates were not capable of leaving without specific orders cleared by Dewitt. Those orders were only in existence because Quakers attempted to get the Japanese American children out of the camps. EVERY one of the major Japanese American prominent professionals who was incarcerated was denied their job, home, and family during the term of the sentence/incarceration. Most families were pennyless due to the loss of their home and businesses. So, even without the sentencing which was occurring, it was virtually impossible for them to move (because there was no job opportunity for the male breadwinners. They had no job opportunity because the liberal Hollywood media and New York radio outfits were too busy creating a race war in the Pacific! These liberals converted 120,000 people from private property owning conservatives to a bunch of welfare/state-dependent stooges for the next 60 years!

I'm sure this was in practice almost impossible, but some did leave- one who did was later a prominent politician, maybe Inoye or Hawakawa, who left to attend college in Chicago?

Inoye? Hawakawa? Laugh!

For one thing, it's Senator Daniel K. Inouye. He lost his arm in battle and received a late Congressional Medal of Honor for it (60 years after the fact). He was from Hawaii, never incarcerated, and was serving the war in the European/Italian campaigns under Patton's leadership. Where have you been? Watching more that "Saving Private Ryan" history? \smirk\

Regarding "Hawakawa"...it's S.I. Hayakawa, a naturalized American citizen who was NEVER incarcerated and was a Republican Senator from California.

113 posted on 02/20/2002 12:49:54 PM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
A quick internet search found these tidbits to support my earlier post.

1. Regarding the ability to leave the camps (yes with permission of the authoritites):

"In May, 1942 farmers began to petition the White House for help in recruiting seasonal farm labor for their crops due to the labor shortage. The seasonal leave program began on May 21, 1942 from the Portland Assembly center to help thin beets in eastern Oregon. The local officials had to pledge that the seasonal labor was needed and insure the safety of the internees working on the farms. In September, 1942 the demand for seasonal labor had increased dramatically. By mid-October, 10,000 evacuees were on seasonal leave, and the demand well exceeded the supply. Although there were some incidents of local hostility, the program was judged a relative success."

"In Ex Parte Endo, Ms. Endo, an American citizen being held in a Relocation Camp, filed for leave clearance. It was granted, but she failed to file for indefinite leave. Instead, she filed for writ of habeas corpus, demanding that she be restored to liberty and that the regulations holding her were invalid.

The Endo Court granted her petition, but explicitly declined to rule on constitutional grounds. The Court merely found that, pursuant to the War Relocation Authority statute and Executive Order 9066, the WRA had no power to subject admittedly loyal citizens to its leave procedure, i.e., no power to detain, where the citizen was admittedly loyal.

The Court explicitly left open the possibility that the Order allowed for detention of citizens whose loyalty was not known. The Court stated "[d]etention which furthered the campaign against espionage and  sabotage would be one thing. But detention which has no relationshipto that campaign is of a distinct character…" Ex Parte Endo, 323U.S. 283, 302 (1944). Thus, although the camps were generally opened in the wake of Endo, the case never addressed the constitutionality of the measure. "

From an interview with KEN MASUGI:

"Let's reflect on the relocation centers or "camps" before we use terms like this. These were self-governing towns, with barracks-like quarters. In Washington, D.C. at the Smithsonian history museum there is a replica of such a barracks. My mother affirms its authenticity. What is not known is that people could leave the camps for work (as did my parents, who returned when the seasons changed) or for college. The government actually offered jobs in other parts of the country. Other relatives of mine moved outside the camps to take jobs. Now, would anyone have chosen them as places to live? Highly unlikely. The mistake we may be making today is trying to rectify the past injustice and not see the problems created by our utterly different attitudes toward immigration and race today. Racial segregation was routine back then, hardly anyone questioned the legitimacy of discrimination based on race. Obviously there were basic rights and many fought to assure greater liberties for all. What we have today is a multicultural, group-rights mentality that keeps us from acting prudently just as an analogous racial mentality encouraged some rashness after WWII".

When I mentioned Hayakawa, I was remembering incorrectly. He was an Associate Professor at the Illinois Institute of Technology from 1939 to 1947, and example of an alien Japanese (Canadian citizen) who could freely live outside the exclusion zone.

2. On compensation.

In 1948, President Harry S. Truman signed the Japanese American Evacuation Claims Act allowing reimbursements. Some 23,689 claims were filed asking for $131,949,176. By the time these claims outlasted federal procedures which required itemized claims and receipts, the Federal Government recompensed Japanese Americans $38,000,000 or about 29 cents for every dollar claimed.

Let me say again the relocation of Americans of Japanese descent and resident aliens from Japan was stupid, cruel, and counter productive to American war efforts, and with undoubtedly racist motivations. I still protest, however, the invalid comparisons to Nazi concentration camps that is made today for political purposes.

129 posted on 02/21/2002 7:08:30 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: bonesmccoy
As a side point to the powers of the government during wartime. I believe, but may be wrong, that they are absolute. That any person, can be forced into the military. Capital punishment. Total taxation, ect for the survival of the state. At least since the Civil War, this has been so.
132 posted on 02/24/2002 11:32:47 AM PST by Leisler
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