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To: scripter, medved
What do you guys think about the 250K offer from Dr. Hovind.

I haven't contacted the good doctor, but these nice professors from the University of Witwatersrand and the University of Botswana have. Evidently, Mr. Hovind would prefer not to risk his nest egg.

Maybe they could try Ben Stein?

From the article, regarding Mr. Hovind's response: "The rest of the response was a list of quotations (at least two of them, including Stephen Jay Gould, entirely out of context) about evolution being nonsense." Looks like "Dr." Hovind has been cribbing from medved?

1,181 posted on 03/01/2002 6:40:57 AM PST by cracker
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To: cracker; VadeRetro
I haven't read all the info you sent. From what I've read, it appears I'd agree with a summary at one of the links: "Dr. Dino's Challenge is a Fraud."

I'll keep reading.

1,184 posted on 03/01/2002 6:55:57 AM PST by scripter
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To: cracker
It implied that he would act as a 'first filter' ("Any legitimate evidence will be forwarded to [the committee]... Evidence of minor changes within the same kind does not qualify and will not be sent to the committee.")

Given that a "kind" is about as unscientific a taxon as you can get, I wouldn't pursue this much further either.

1,187 posted on 03/01/2002 7:10:17 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: cracker
The theory of evolution today is in such a state that any collection of quotes from paleontologists regarding the fossil record, mathematicians regarding the odds involved in abiogenesis etc. will amount to a horrific indictment of the doctrine (evolutionism).

For evolutionists, there is no possible rational response to the overwhelming case these collections of quotes make other than say to themselves "Gee, how did I ever believe in anything like that?" and cease being evolutionists. Obviously nobody should hold their breath waiting for that to happen, and one may therefore anticipate that their response will be irrational. They won't disappoint you; the basic response of the evolutionists on the net to anybody attempting to quote any of these lists of quotes on discussion groups has always been that each and every one of the scientists being quoted is being quoted out of context, that the gist of what they were trying to say has been inverted in each and every case, and that the person posting such a thing is therefore a liar. That's precisely what this dolt using the penname "Cracker" is claiming.

In real life, the full context of each of these quotes is basically irrelevant despite the rest of the page in most cases giving reasons why the author remains an evolutionist.

It's as if a general was trying to get a picture of what was happening on the front and were to debrief a number of lieutenants and sergeants and each one said something like "Well sir, we took a lot of casualties this morning and really got our butts kicked, but overall things are proceeding ok and I'm sure we're gonna win..."

"Cracker" would insist that the data be interpreted as meaning that the general had no problems; in real life the general would be insane to assume anything other than that he had a major problem on his hands.

Then, of course, there's always the ultimate evolutionist quote, taken from an interview with the famous evolutionist Jeffrey Dahmer:

"If a person doesn't think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what's the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges? That's how I thought anyway. I always believed the theory of evolution as truth, that we all came from slime. When we died, you know , that was it, there is nothing..."

Come on; Make my day, "Cracker": tell me how Dahmer really believed in evolution, and how I'm a liar for quoting him out of context!"

1,188 posted on 03/01/2002 7:15:49 AM PST by medved
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