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Evolution debate: State board should reject pseudoscience
Columbus Dispatch ^ | February 17, 2002 | Editorial

Posted on 02/18/2002 4:59:53 AM PST by cracker

The Dispatch tries to verify the identity of those who submit letters to the editor, but this message presented some problems. It arrived on a postcard with no return address:

Dear Representative Linda Reidelbach: Evolution is one of my creations with which I am most pleased.

It was signed, God.

The Dispatch cannot confirm that this is a divine communication, but the newspaper does endorse the sentiment it expresses: that there is room in the world for science and religion, and the two need not be at war.

The newspaper also agrees that Reidelbach, a Republican state representative from Columbus, is among the lawmakers most in need of this revelation. She is the sponsor of House Bill 481, which says that when public schools teach evolution, they also must teach competing "theories'' about the origin of life.

Reidelbach says the bill would "encourage the presentation of scientific evidence regarding the origins of life and its diversity objectively and without religious, naturalistic or philosophic bias or assumption.''

What this appears to mean is that any idea about the origin of life would be designated, incorrectly, a scientific theory and would get equal time with the genuine scientific theory known as evolution.

Those who correctly object that the creation stories of various religions are not scientific would be guilty, in the language of this bill, "of religious, naturalistic or philosophic bias or assumption.''

Never mind that science is not a bias or an assumption but simply a rigorous and logical method for describing and explaining what is observed in nature.

What Reidelbach and her co-sponsors are attempting to do is to require that science classes also teach creationism, intelligent design and related unscientific notions about the origin of life that are derived from Christian belief.

So bent are they on getting Christianity's foot in the door of science classrooms that they apparently don't mind that this bill also appears to give the green light to the creation stories of competing religions, cults and any other manifestation of belief or unbelief. Apparently, even Satanists would have their say.

But the real problem is that Reidelbach's bill would undermine science education at the very moment when Ohio should be developing a scientifically literate generation of students who can help the state succeed in 21st-century technologies and compete economically around the globe.

The fact is that religious ideas, no matter how much they are dressed up in the language of science, are not science. And subjecting students to religious ideas in a science class simply would muddle their understanding of the scientific method and waste valuable time that ought to be used to learn genuine science.

The scientific method consists of observing the natural world and drawing conclusions about the causes of what is observed. These conclusions, or theories, are subject to testing and revision as additional facts are discovered that either bolster or undermine the conclusions and theories. Scientific truth, such as it is, is constantly evolving as new theories replace or modify old ones in the light of new facts.

Religious notions of creation work in the opposite fashion. They begin with a preconceived belief -- for example, that God created all the creatures on the Earth -- and then pick and choose among the observable facts in the natural world to find those that fit. Those that don't are ignored.

The scientific approach expands knowledge about the natural world; the religious approach impedes it.

The classic example of this occurred 369 years ago when the Catholic Church forced Galileo to recant the Copernican theory that the Earth revolves around the sun. That theory contradicted the religiously based idea that man and the Earth formed the center of God's creation. Had the church's creationist view of the solar system prevailed, Ohioan Neil Armstrong never would have set foot on the moon.

Today, Copernican theory is established and acknowledged fact.

When it comes to evolution, much confusion grows out of the understanding -- or misunderstanding -- of the words theory and fact. Evolution is a theory, but one that has become so thoroughly buttressed by physical evidence that, for all intents and purposes, it is a fact. No one outside of the willfully obstinate questions the idea that new life forms evolved from older ones, a process conclusively illustrated in biology and the fossil record.

Where disagreement still exists is over how the process of evolution occurs. Scientists argue about the mechanism by which change occurs and whether the process is gradual and constant or proceeds in fits in starts. But while they debate over how evolution occurs, they do not doubt that it does occur.

Another way to understand this is to consider gravity. Everyone accepts the existence of this force, but many questions remain about just what gravity is and how it works. That scientists argue about how gravity works doesn't change the fact that gravity exists. Or, as author Stephen Jay Gould has put it, "Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome.''

Just as with gravity, evolution is a fact.

Those who persist on questioning this fact are a tiny minority, even among people of faith. But they are a loud minority and, to those not well-grounded in science, their arguments can sound reasonable, even "scientific.'' But their arguments are little more than unfounded assertions dressed up in the language of science.

This minority also insists on creating conflict between religion and science where none needs to exist. Major faiths long since have reconciled themselves to a division of labor with science. Religion looks to humankind's spiritual and moral needs, while science attends to the material ones.

The Catholic Church, which once tried to hold back the progress of science, now admits that it was wrong to suppress Galileo. More than a billion Catholics draw sustenance from their faith untroubled by the knowledge that the planet is racing around the sun.

Religion, in turn, provides spiritual and moral guideposts to decide how best to use the awesome powers that science has unlocked and placed at humankind's disposal.

Nor are scientists themselves antagonistic to religion. Albert Einstein, one of the greatest scientific geniuses in history, was deeply reverent: "My comprehension of God comes from the deeply felt conviction of a superior intelligence that reveals itself in the knowable world,'' he once said.

Others have made similar observations. The more the scientific method reveals about the intricacies of the universe, the more awestruck many scientists become.

The simplest way to reconcile religion and evolution is to accept the view propounded early last century by prominent Congregationalist minister and editor Lyman Abbott, who regarded evolution as the means God uses to create and shape life.

This view eliminates conflict between evolution and religion. It allows scientists to investigate evolution as a natural process and lets people of faith give God the credit for setting that process in motion.

As for what to do about creationism and evolution in schools, the answer is easy. Evolution should be taught in science classes. Creationism and related religiously based ideas should be taught in comparative-religion, civics and history classes.

Religion was and remains central to the American identity. It has profoundly shaped American ideals and provided the basis for its highest aspirations, from the Declaration of Independence to the civil-rights movement. There is no question that religion is a vital force and a vital area of knowledge that must be included in any complete education.

But not in the science classroom, because religion is not science. There is no such thing as Buddhist chemistry, Jewish physics or Christian mathematics.

The Earth revolves around the sun regardless of the faiths of the people whom gravity carries along for the ride. Two plus two equals four whether that sum is calculated by a Muslim or a Zoroastrian.

Reidelbach and her supporters genuinely worry that a crucial element -- moral education and appreciation of religion's role in America -- is missing in education. But they will not correct that lack by injecting pseudoscience into Ohio's science curriculum.

And Reidelbach is not the only one making this mistake. Senate Bill 222, sponsored by state Sen. Jim Jordan, R-Urbana, is equally misguided. This bill would require that science standards adopted by the State Board of Education be approved by resolution in the General Assembly. This is a recipe for disaster, injecting not only religion, but also politics, into Ohio's science classes.

These two bills should be ignored by lawmakers.

In a few months, when the State Board of Education lays out the standards for science education in Ohio's public schools, it should strongly endorse the teaching of evolution and ignore the demands of those who purvey pseudoscience.


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To: cracker
From the title, I assumed the State Board was supposed to reject evolution...

AMPU

881 posted on 02/26/2002 5:07:26 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Nebullis; AndrewC
Einstein hoped that underneath the Heisenberg principle there was still real determinism lurking. You'd never be able to get to it, but he hoped/assumed that, say, an electron still had a real, finite position with real momentum, etc.

He was wrong. In the absence of a definite interaction, the electron is like a little wave. It can go down two tunnels at once as a wavefront and make interference patterns with itself coming out both tunnel ends. Or, you can detect which way the electron goes, and the interference patterns vanish.

The experiment is usually done with photons, but Feynman discussed an electron version in his lecture series. Anyway, the un-collapsed wave function is like Schrödinger's alive/dead cat. It's as indeterminate as you can get.

882 posted on 02/26/2002 5:07:36 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Nebullis
If only evolution researchers shared your intuition!

Isn't Shapiro an "evolution researcher"?

883 posted on 02/26/2002 5:09:11 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
What I am left with after this conversation, is that you accept evolution as the evidence supports it. Yet, you argue against the side which presents this evidence instead of the side which denies it. I'm left wondering if you really know what you believe, or if you simply know what doesn't feel good, emotionally.
884 posted on 02/26/2002 5:10:15 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
In that sense, there is no such thing as random in evolution

I'm glad we agree. I never put up the straw man. "Random" mutation is mentioned by Darwinians.

885 posted on 02/26/2002 5:15:29 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Isn't Shapiro an "evolution researcher"?

Not primarily, but he certainly has an interest in it. He shares your desire to eliminate the indeterminate.

886 posted on 02/26/2002 5:15:57 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
Now you're gonna get it. But most of us wind up saying something like that sooner or later.
887 posted on 02/26/2002 5:16:10 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
In the absence of a definite interaction, the electron is like a little wave. It can go down two tunnels at once as a wavefront and make interference patterns with itself coming out both tunnel ends. Or, you can detect which way the electron goes, and the interference patterns vanish.

I've never liked QM. I haven't studied enough to denounce it, and I suppose that would be wildly foolish, given all the experimental evidence. But I just don't like it. So I ignore it. I am grateful that QM also ignores me. Sort of a stand-off.

888 posted on 02/26/2002 5:16:13 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
I've never liked QM.

It's so counter-intuitive as to be appalling. When I first heard about the "particle" going both ways as a wave unless you "measured," it actually upset me. But that's really how the little buggers act.

I like it now for the jaw-dropping moments of disbelief it induces. (Well, I like reading dumbed-down articles about it.) In a way, it's too bad the macro world doesn't behave like that.

889 posted on 02/26/2002 5:22:22 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
It's [QM] so counter-intuitive as to be appalling.

Well, to be quantum-mechanically correct, I both like QM and dislike it, at the same time. I never know which until I stop to think about it. But then I forget what I was thinking about, so it all works out.

890 posted on 02/26/2002 5:27:56 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro
Hey, I got post #888. I wonder if this thread will get to 1,000? That would be a first for a crevo thread.
891 posted on 02/26/2002 5:29:15 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Please don't wax mystical!
892 posted on 02/26/2002 5:30:46 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
What I am left with after this conversation, is that you accept evolution as the evidence supports it.

Yes, when the evidence supports it, not supposition and most of what I see is supposition. I have made it known long ago that I am not a literalist when it comes to the Bible. The words of the Bible are much more figurative than literal. Jesus taught in parables. The mysteries were explained in allegory. So on. I do not expect to come upon any talking serpents in my excursions through the forest. Nor do I expect to find the pillars about which Hanna prayed. But I have no doubt that God created all or of his infinite nature. And as I also related before, I conjecture-- If God can be proven we have no free will.

893 posted on 02/26/2002 5:34:07 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: PatrickHenry
Yeah, but the old-style threads couldn't get this big. Kind of like modern rushing records compared against Jim Brown's 14-game wonder in 1963.

OK, so no thread I ever started totalled more than 2 or 3 hundred. (Grumble, grumble!)

894 posted on 02/26/2002 5:35:37 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
OK, so no thread I ever started totalled more than 2 or 3 hundred.

But there were endless CONTINUATION threads.

895 posted on 02/26/2002 5:36:37 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
Now, now! They only SEEMED endless!
896 posted on 02/26/2002 5:38:38 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: AndrewC
Yes, when the evidence supports it, not supposition and most of what I see is supposition.

I see you arguing inconsequential details, not major suppositions.

When you allow God the use of natural processes you've already fudged on the literal occasion for a redeemer and it doesn't matter anymore how life started or how it evolved.

897 posted on 02/26/2002 5:39:43 PM PST by Nebullis
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To: VadeRetro
I can't believe this argument is going on again. Even Darwin didn't believe Darwin. Johnson put the classical theory of evolution through survival of the fittest to death in his classic, "Darwin on Trial." The Darwinist now starts from a preconceived notion just as idiotic as the creationist. An entire new theory is needed to explain the great leaps in development in the complexity of organisms in the very short time once life appeared. As for creationists, they cannot even read the Bible correctly, which clearly states that God is recreating a previously destroyed world, and which notes further in the writing of the prophets that a populated world had existed even prior to the one destroyed. In total, counting then the flood, there are three destructions, leaving Noah and his sons and daughters as the seed of modern Man. Hence, the fossil record is in no conflict with the Bible, which even speaks of a time when giants roamed the land. Dumb Christians, dumb scientists, makes a dull boy.
898 posted on 02/26/2002 5:41:29 PM PST by stryker
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To: Nebullis
not major suppositions.

Since when is a major supposition not a supposition.

899 posted on 02/26/2002 5:42:15 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Nebullis
When you allow God the use of natural processes you've already fudged on the literal occasion for a redeemer and it doesn't matter anymore how life started or how it evolved.

So you're saying I must claim God supernaturally interferes in every birth in order for each person to have a soul. Nonsense.

900 posted on 02/26/2002 5:45:19 PM PST by AndrewC
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