This is why gun-grabbers are the USEFUL IDIOTS. And most of them will still be hanging their heads in denial as they're marched into the cattle-cars.
Posted on 02/14/2002 1:28:17 PM PST by 45Auto
Then how would we shoot our dinner, anyway?
This is why gun-grabbers are the USEFUL IDIOTS. And most of them will still be hanging their heads in denial as they're marched into the cattle-cars.
There are only 4.5 Million members of the NRA. The total of GOA and JPFO combined is less than that. Those are the only people fighting for gun rights on an active basis. No one else cares about fighting for their guns like these people.
Everyone else in the country will disarm when they are asked to.
If it means crushing the Left under foot, I'm going to support HCI and Gun Control.
Obviously the rules won't apply to me, but once they're gone...who cares?
Before I answer the substance of what you say, let me say that nothing in my response is intended to advocate any type of violence. It is a speculative answer, based on my knowledge of history and current events, to a hypothetical scenario.
You speak only of those who are hard-core gun rights supporters. While they are, in general, the best armed and best trained gun owners in the general population, they are far from alone. As Eric pointed out, there are many other gun owners who won't voluntarily surrender their arms.
How many? Well, it has been estimated that there are between 60-80 million gun owners, who own a combined total of roughly 250 million guns. Personally, a find the latter figure to be laughably low - I know MANY people who own at least 10 guns, and many more who own at least 5. This figure also only takes into account legal, registered guns - how many weapons have been imported without the knowledge of authorities in the last 100 years? How many fully automatic war trophies did our WW1 and WW2 vets bring home? Nobody really knows, but the answer is probably at least in the tens of millions.
So, you may ask, what does it matter if most of these people are not so hardcore, if they'll surrender what they own upon receiving a letter from some government agency saying that they must turn in all guns, ammo, etc., on pain of fines, imprisonment, loss of job, etc.? Well, most probably will comply - our pubic education system has made most people into non-thinking, compliant risk-avoiders. Let's be wildly optomistic (from the gun-grabbers' point of view, not that of freedom lovers), and assume that only 1% of gun owners keep their weapons. This will leave 600,000 to 800,000 people (not including those in law enforcement or the military who take their oath to "preserve, protect & defend the Constitution" seriously). Not so many you think? Well, think again. These will be the most highly motivated, the best trained, the best armed people in society. Many of them have spent thousands or tens of thousands of dollars, plus hundreds or thousands of hours preparing themselves, their families and their property for just such an eventuality. There are millions of hunters in this country that regularly dress up in camoflage clothing in order to follow wild animals through miles of woodlands in order to take down a man-sized target (a deer) at 200-300 hundred yards, not to mention tens of thousands of accuracy fanatics who get ticked off if they can hit a plate-sized target at 600 yards. In addition to hidden guns, they will almost all have large stocks of military caliber ammunition, reloading equipment and supplies needed to produce yet more ammunition, compasses, knives, food reserves, etc., etc. - all of the things necessary to carry out a guerilla war against an oppressive government. Most of these type of people are former military, and they have the knowledge and experience necessary to plan fairly sophisticated small-group operations, as well as to train others without such knowledge.
By way of reference, the hard core in the fight for freedom during the Revolutionary War (i.e. those willing to take up arms) was only about 2% of the population. Most of the rest of the population was either Loyalist or indifferent or scared to help them. Yet the most powerful government and army of the day were defeated.
Do you think that our state & local cops can handle this many real rebels? What about simultaneously handling the existing criminal element (which is nearly out of control in some areas now)? No, that is in the realm of fantasy. Oh, you say, we have the FBI, army, national guard, etc. Yes, we have them - but they were brought into existence, and continue in existence today, to handle quite different missions. We do, after all, need the FBI to handle foreign spies, drug lords, mafias of various ethnic stripes, etc. The armed forces are already stretched thin defending our shores and our vital interests overseas. Do you want to guess what the "Axis of Evil," not to mention China, Syria and a host of other potential enemies would do if a President ordered half the army to begin fighting a guerilla war at home? And, by the way, does any President KNOW for a fact that everyone in the armed forces will obey orders that clearly will lead to a police state? Further food for thought: what will many uncommitted people do when they see the "nutty" predictions of the most pro-gun people coming true (i.e. the imposition of a police state)? The answer is lots of passive support, and lots of passive resistance to the government, and possibly some volunteers to the side of the hypothetical rebels.
In short, Shooter 2.5, you don't need that many well trained, well armed and highly motivated people to carry out an effective (or even winning) resistance in a country this large. The reason it hasn't been tried is that it can't work, and most of those (especially politicians) who have seriously thought about it have probably come to the conclusion that they and/or their families would not live to see the end of such a fight.
"Personally, a find..." should be "Personally, I find..."
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To which part are you moving?
This is why Sen Feinstein and Schumer, Rosie, and Sarah Brady advocate gun control for everybody else while maintaining armed bodyguards for themselves.
The reason I gave the numbers that I did was that I don't believe the government will ever go house to house confiscating weapons. That sounds like a fantasy of all those people who have the bumpersticker like "..From my Cold Dead Hands.". I think it will be treated like the drug wars where the majority of the people will beg the government to come arrest that nasty gun owner, and only about six million[since I forgot about the SAS] will try to do something about it. Forget about the deer hunters who aren't members. They just want to be left alone and there's no way they will help someone else or even stand up for their rights. Why? Because they're not standing up for their rights while it's easy. It is easy. If we want to get rid of the gun grabbers, All we have to do is vote them out of office because we outnumber the gungrabbers and the leftists.
Going to rallies, donating time and money is ridiculously easy. Why should anyone believe the people on the sidelines will do anything when it's difficult?
Boy ... you got that right ... and it would be one HAPPY day
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