[discostu]

But none of those allegations have been proven. The big "proof" came from Costas who was discussing hypotheticals (why I'm glad the ISU guy lit into the press for asking hypothetical questions, what really happened is complex enough without dealing with what ifs). We've got another press conference coming soon, though I doubt there will be anything new. No way any of these guys are going to admit to fixing it one way or the other. Most ofthe people on this thread are coming from a position that the results prove the fix, I'm trying to show otherwise. There still could have been a fix, but there are possible legitimate reasons for the results.

[psycho-sis]

Okay thats reasonable. If there were a fix and I think we can safely say something has occured it negates the whole thing. After Nagano the dance judges admitted to the fix after phone calls were taped by the Canadian judge. I'm sure the right documentation will emerge. I think that with all the focus on cleaning up ice dance in the last four years they thought no one would notice if they tinkered with the pairs. This afternoon the CBC had the head of Skate Canada in interview and she said they have officially launched an appeal. We'll have to see how this unfolds but I just wanted you to consider that what the judges submitted in ordinals may not have been what they believed to be true.

[sharktrager]

May not be "proven" but it's not just a hypothetical from Costas. The judge admitted that she was pressured by the French organization to vote for the russians.

The smoking gun?