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Why I just love the new iMac (and why you might, too)
Ziff Davis ^ | Feb. 4, 2002 | David Coursey

Posted on 02/06/2002 7:02:35 AM PST by toupsie

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To: Publius6961
Not being from San Francisco, I am not qualified to visit the apple Mac site.

I still don't understand why so many conservatives think that Rush Limbaugh is a cross dressing faggot because he prefers Macintosh systems. Must be that whole "latent" thing...

61 posted on 02/06/2002 3:52:58 PM PST by toupsie
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To: Valkster
The consensus being that Macs are for fairies and Democrats

As stated before, I am suprised how many conservatives think Rush Limbaugh is a flaming fairy because he prefers Macintosh computers. Guess its a lack of income thing...like so many liberals that are against tax cuts...hate the rich mentality.

62 posted on 02/06/2002 3:55:26 PM PST by toupsie
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To: toupsie
...You can take a standard VGA monitor and plug it into an iMac. So screw off the LCD and plug in the VGA monitor in the closet and go back to work.

By standard VGA monitor, do you mean a "Video Graphics Array" monitor? Wasn't this standard created by, gasp!, the enemy, IBM, the creator of the PC?

I'm just yankin' your chain.

Personally, I think this whole Mac vs. PC thing is no different than a Ford vs. Chevy argument. And is about as mature.

FRegards,

dan

63 posted on 02/06/2002 4:09:33 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: toupsie
...I still don't understand why so many conservatives think that Rush Limbaugh is a cross dressing faggot because he prefers Macintosh systems.

There's an exception to every rule.

Actually, he's said on numerous occasions that he knows that Steve Jobs is an enthusistic supporter of the DemocRATs and that he doesn't care. He still likes his Macintosh.

dan

64 posted on 02/06/2002 4:12:02 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: dighton
ROTFLMAO!

That cartoon is hilarious! The gray tabby looks like my cat, who just happens to be "roasting" right now!

My cat and I have surfed FreeRepublic together many times, but only now has he found an issue that he really seems to care about: "Tabbies For Tubes!"

65 posted on 02/06/2002 4:40:26 PM PST by Fraulein
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Actually, he's said on numerous occasions that he knows that Steve Jobs is an enthusistic supporter of the DemocRATs and that he doesn't care. He still likes his Macintosh.

I dont use a computer because of politics, I use it for politics. :)

66 posted on 02/06/2002 6:32:21 PM PST by toupsie
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To: JumpinJackFlash
Also, one more prediction. The desktop unit on ALL brands will slowly die out.

Never. Bang for buck, notebooks are too expensive.

67 posted on 02/06/2002 8:32:32 PM PST by peabers
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To: pt17
I had issues with the Mac and NT4 as well ... had to have 'Dave' on the Mac, and configuration was a pain ... since moving the main server to Win2K, all is well ... I even have a $80 HP Printer hooked up to the Win2K box thru USB, and the Mac see's it just fine thru AppleTalk.

I still find plenty of uses for the Mac (it is a Pro Tools machine primarily, but I also use it to scan from a 5370c). It has OSX, 9.2, and 9.1.1 (for the Pro Tools) as well as an Atto SCSI card and external Seagate Barracudas (18G, RAID_0) in a Glyph Rack with a Plextor CD-R ...

All that said, I spend way more time on the Windows boxes (sounds like you are I are in the same line of work) and its hard to get passionate about one over the other ... I like them all, and the distinctions are part of the fun ... I take my fun where I find it these days ... :)

68 posted on 02/06/2002 9:38:01 PM PST by spodefly
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To: toupsie
but for its activities in forcing x86 manufacturers to buy licenses for Windows.

I've never figured out how Microsoft forced companies to buy their products. Did they use a gun? Or did they say "If you want this level of discount, you have to purchase this package of licenses"?

70 posted on 02/07/2002 6:28:56 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
I've never figured out how Microsoft forced companies to buy their products. Did they use a gun? Or did they say "If you want this level of discount, you have to purchase this package of licenses"?

Practically. What Microsoft did was to tell x86 manufacturers that they must buy a Windows license for every x86 machine they built even those that were not meant to have an OS when shipped. Also these contracts prevented the manufacturers from making "Dual Boot" machines. So if Compaq wanted to make a BeOS machine, they still would have to buy a Windows license from Microsoft. If they didn't, Microsoft would yank the all the licenses from Compaq. This what anti-Windows folks called the "Microsoft Tax".

71 posted on 02/07/2002 8:59:47 AM PST by toupsie
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To: toupsie
But the question is, how did they enforce it? The only way I can imagine is that it was a requirement to get the deep discounts on Windows OS.

Let's say the retail price of Windows is $200 and the normal wholesale is $100. So if I offer it to you at $20 a pop, provided you by a licence for every machine you build, is this a loaded gun?

Lots of small OEMs get buy without the deep discount.

72 posted on 02/07/2002 10:09:06 AM PST by js1138
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To: Publius6961
As is usual with people who are given equipment to rave about, this person has neglected what matters to the real people in the real world:

Toupsie already answered your questions about price and expansion, but I wanted to make a different point: You, and a lot of other people who have such trouble with iMacs are forgetting that most people aren't power users, and are not the same "real people in the real world" that you are. The average PC purchaser - of any platform - will never "expand" their computer beyond adding some better speakers and maybe a scanner. They'll probably never even open the box, except to add some RAM. (And at least half of those people will take their machines to a dealer just for that.)

I've seen incredibly detailed attacks on the new iMac in a number of places on the web, always going into great detail about the technical aspects of the machine: about how far behind the G4 processor has fallen compared with Intel and AMD; the not exactly state-of-the-art display chip, the slower RAM, etc. And they're all absolutely correct about those facts. However, they're all missing the point: If the machine does what it puports to do, in a way that pleases the purchaser, then they will be happy. My parents have what is, at this point, a truly ancient original Bondi iMac. Well, okay, it's a Revision B, but the only difference between it and the true Model T iMac is 2MB of extra VRAM. It only has 96MB of RAM, and a 4GB hard drive. And they are as happy with it today as they were they day they bought it. It does what they want - web surfing, word processing, printing, a little Photoshop stuff (my mother's an amateur photographer) - and it does it well. They have never opened the case. They have never expanded. And they never will. In fact, the only reason they're even considering an upgrade (and they're thinking 6 months to a year down the line) is because my mother wants to change the wallpaper in the room and thinks the greenish-blue iMac will clash with it! (Well, okay, I admit, she's getting a little hungry for a Firewire port too.)

Also see James Lileks's two weblog posts (1) (2) on his extremely positive experiences with his iMac. He is the quintessential "real person in the real world" when it comes to the who the average computer consumer is today. He is who Apple is aiming their iMacs at. And he is completely satisfied.

And in the end, that is ALL that really matters. That is why Apple already has a record number of orders for their new iMacs, even more than they did for the originals. You can crow until the end of time about the technical superiority of Intel-based PCs (and I use "technical" in both senses of the word here), and you will often be correct (less so when we talk about standard Power Mac G4s instead of the consumer-oriented iMacs). And it just won't matter one bit.

(For the record, I have and use both Macs and Windows machines, and have plenty of positive and negative feelings about both.)

73 posted on 02/07/2002 10:44:50 AM PST by Timesink
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To: js1138
But the question is, how did they enforce it? The only way I can imagine is that it was a requirement to get the deep discounts on Windows OS.

They simply threatened to stop selling Windows to those OEMs at all. You're not going to sell many PCs if you can't sell them with Windows preloaded. This was especially true pre-XP when Windows needed to be severely tweaked for each individual configuration of parts that made up a given PC model. Very few consumers have the skills to perform these tweaks properly even if they wanted to.

These threats all went on deep behind the scenes, of course.

74 posted on 02/07/2002 10:49:45 AM PST by Timesink
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