Muslim Woman Sues over Drivers License [FL: Show your face on driver license photo; FL Woman: No]

The Orlando Sentinel ^ | Jan. 30, 2002 | P. Gutierrez and A. Rippel

[dennisw]

If they are that religious with the retarded costume and veil and all then they are not allowed to drive anyways. In places like Saudi (retarded) Arabia. Why should it be any different here?

[nopardons]

Actually, the4 case I was thinking of, was in N.Y. ; so you are citing something else entirely. Hmmmmm ...

I doubt that this has much of anything at all to do with " oggling ". For the record, I don't like oggling, and LOATHE rude remarks . Getting back on topic ; the first woman, Mrs. Freeman, is a born citizen, who is using her new found religon, to try to bend the law; to suit her own purpose. Many female follewrs of Islam, do NOT wear that thingy. Some do , and they belong to stricter sects, which FORBID those women to drive, and I am quite certain, do other things, which Mrs. Freeman does do.

Now, dear, try to wiggle out of that. : - )

[NYCVirago]

Only her emerald-green eyes and mascara showed through her veil.

Her eyes looked pretty heavily made-up, with not only mascara, but eyeliner and eyeshadow. Does the Koran allow eye makeup?

[My back yard]

Exactly, it is not a substantial burden. Have a female take the picture, let her keep it private in her wallet, only bringing it out if law enforement needs to see it. Shouldn't have to if she is law-abiding in her driving. I would wager she might could even have a special female officer called on such an occasion. Take 15 minutes.

[UberVernunft]

I guess that you don't know that the Fed Gov ( perhaps it was a State GOv ? well someone DID pass the law ) passed a law the forbids animal sacrifice ( for prctioners of Voudon / Voodoo ), and the unauthorized keeping of farm animals, in cities.

This may have been because of Voodoo practices down in Miami. There used to be articles in the Miami Herald describing Haitians sacrificing chickens, and other animals, at night and leaving them at traffic intersections or in the middle of the road. Since I stopped reading any newspapers a few years ago, I haven't kept up on the lastest and greatest. I have yet to come across this, but I also tend to avoid driving in those areas.

[NYCVirago]

This Freeman girl is an American, too, and had a driver's license up north with a picture that didn't show her face to every Tom Dick and Harry at a grocery counter. Or does it just get under your skin when a woman doesn't want you to look at her? ....I don't think Ms. Freeman is cutting the heads off chickens, she's just tired of the ogling from crude dudes. Some thrive on it, some don't.

Yeah, driver's license pictures are soooo hot. Women, forget those Glamour Shots; you get your man going by simply showing him a snapshot courtesy of your state's driver's license bureau!

[My back yard]

Right-o. If someone was to declare that it is against their religion to even have their picture taken? What? We can allow them to have no picture. Separation of Church and State means that this country has laws that uphold the law and order, not religions. If you want to be a citizen here, you have to follow our laws.. laws for everyone, equally.

[nopardons]

No, as I recall, it was in either Brooklyn, or the Bronx ; one of the 5 boroghs, which comprise N.Y.C. ! Thankfully, I can and do read the N.Y. Post; a Conservative paper. : - )

[BlackbirdSST]

"I don't think the state statutes mandate a photograph," he said. So, I guess Fla won't be participating in the NIC. I mean if a picture isn't required, by aclu standards, then how can we be forced to do bio-metrics. It's against my religion. Blackbird.

[UberVernunft]

There's a federal law against selling uninspected meat to the public.

Strange as it sounds I think they did away with this a couple of years ago. From what I understand they only require companies to pass general safety standards, with no specific requirements of detailed meat inspection. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this.

[Harp]

However, the driver's license is a common means of identification and she would be required to show it every time she wrote a check and in many other common situations. At this point she would be substantially burdened.

A photo ID is a common means of ID, period -- be it a driver's license or some other state ID card. Driving on public roads is a privilege for those who agree to comply with the laws, not a right.

[nopardons]

Unprovoked name calling ? Shame on you.

Getting a driver's liscence is a PRIVILEGE ; it is NOT a " right "! If she doesn't want her picture taken, with her face uncovered, fine ; she doesn't get the liscence ! It's really as easy as that. : - )

[UberVernunft]

"I don't think I'd wear a frigging black Nazi SS uniform emblazoned with red swatikas on my arms."

But it would suit you perfectly. You should try it, with a little leather -- you'd feel right at home.

Forget leather, go with latex -- looks better and feels better. Or so I've heard.

[Harp]

Kinda like the people in this Thread -- letting this woman preserve her privacy from grocery store clerks is like beating you half to death, it appears.

Or she could use cash. At the grocery store, that is. A woman so conscious of maintaining her religious beliefs should be able to remember to hit the ATM before she checks out.

[UberVernunft]

No, as I recall, it was in either Brooklyn, or the Bronx ; one of the 5 boroghs, which comprise N.Y.C. ! Thankfully, I can and do read the N.Y. Post; a Conservative paper. : - )

LOL.

Doesn't surprise me.

[BlackbirdSST]

Can you imagine-- she gets on a plane with that ID, but who is it, really? Zero impact, since they will not make her remove the rag to board. Blackbird.

[nopardons]

For a NEW COMMER ( member date : DECENBER 24, 2001 ) , you seem to be on an awfully high horse. Do be careful not to fall, and hurt yourself. : - )

Frankly, you seem to be thei only one, who is having PC attacks and looking for religious bias . I, for one, couldn't care less what her religion now is; she's quite likely to change it, yet again. : - )

As to the laws of the land, as well as state laws, if yu don't like them, then either try to get them LEGALLY changed, put up with them, or leave. Bleeding hearted, Messianic complexed, " HOLIER THAN THOU " sorts don't do too well here. Pick your arguements carefully. Ehy is this one so important to you ?