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Muslim Woman Sues over Drivers License [FL: Show your face on driver license photo; FL Woman: No]
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | Jan. 30, 2002 | P. Gutierrez and A. Rippel

Posted on 01/29/2002 11:01:29 PM PST by summer

Muslim woman sues state over drivers license



By Pedro Ruz Gutierrez and Amy Rippel |
Sentinel Staff Writers
Posted January 30, 2002

WINTER PARK -- A 34-year-old woman is suing the state for suspending her Florida drivers license after she refused to have her photo taken without an Islamic veil.

Sultaana Freeman, a former evangelist preacher who converted to Islam about five years ago and wears the traditional niqab, says her religion doesn't allow her to show her face to strangers.

She filed suit earlier this month asking an Orange County judge to review her case.

"I don't show my face to strangers or unrelated males," Freeman said in an interview Tuesday at the office of her American Civil Liberties Union attorney. Only her emerald-green eyes and mascara showed through her veil.

The niqab is different from a hijab, or partial head covering, which doesn't hide the face and which some Muslim women wear for their drivers license photos.

Freeman, who is on an apparent collision course with the state, is bracing for a possible showdown on the fundamental freedoms of the U.S. Constitution.

"Florida law requires a full facial view of a person on their drivers license photo," said Robert Sanchez, a spokesman for the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles. "We have no choice but to enforce it."

Florida law says license applicants shall be issued "a color photographic or digital imaged drivers license bearing a full-face photograph."

ACLU lawyer Howard Marks argues that the law is vague. "I don't think the state statutes mandate a photograph," he said.

Marks said he also will cling to a state law on religious freedom that states the "government shall not substantially burden a person's exercise of religion. "

Barry University Professor Robert Whorf said the state is probably within its right to ask for a full-facial photograph. "It makes common sense if the state of Florida were discriminating against her because of her religion; that would more likely be unconstitutional," he said. "If the state of Florida's rationale for insisting the veil not cover the face is for law-enforcement purposes that apply to everyone, then clearly the state of Florida is not discriminating against anyone for religious reasons."


To husband Abdul-Malik, also known as Mark Freeman, the state's action is an infringement on his and his wife's rights.

"It's a reflection of Sept. 11," said Abdul-Malik, 40, a 1980 Edgewater High School graduate and 1984 Florida State University graduate.

The Freemans said they only want recognition that their interpretation of Islam requires women to cover their faces.

Sultaana Freeman said she never had trouble in Illinois, where she worked as a civil engineer with the state's utilities company. That state, without objection, issued her license with a photo that showed only her eyes.

Her Florida license was issued with her face covered last February, but the state demanded a new photo without her veil in November. State record checks began after Sept. 11.

Altaf Ali, executive director of the Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said he knows of three other times Muslim women were refused Florida drivers licenses because of their headdresses. "I'm sure there's a lot more that's happening and not getting reported," he said.

Ali is asking the state to clarify its policy on religiously mandated clothes, and he wants the state to train employees about Muslim needs.

Yasmin Khan, 39, of West Palm Beachsaid she tangled with motor-vehicle officials when she was refused a drivers license in mid-December. Khan, a native of Trinidad and a Muslim, said she pulled her headdress back to her hairline -- as far as her religious beliefs would allow -- for the Dec. 17 photo but was told she needed to remove it completely. When she refused, she was denied a drivers license, she said.

"I decided to call anybody and everybody because I needed my license. I have kids, and I need to leave my home," she said.

Two days later, after getting help from local politicians, Khan was photographed with her hijab pulled back for her new drivers license.

In Daytona Beach earlier this month, Najat Tamim-Muhammad, 41, was refused a Florida identification card because she declined to remove her hijab.

Two years ago, Tamim-Muhammad, a native of Morocco, removed her headdress for the ID photo, but her husband said she did it only because she spoke no English and was unsure of her legal rights.

Idris Muhammad, her husband, said they plan to go back to the office to explain to a supervisor why she cannot remove the hijab. They hope to have the photo taken at that time.

"We understand the fear that comes with dealing with people you don't know or understand," he said. "In my opinion, it violates our equal rights under the law. Most people, when you sit down and explain why the women wear the hijab and the seriousness of not having it on, understand."

Amy C. Rippel can be reached at arippel@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5736. Pedro Ruz Gutierrez can be reached at pruz@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5620.


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To: WindRiverShoshoni
A couple of million women driving around without proper identification? hahahahahahaha

She's right.....you have some very strange ideas.

541 posted on 01/31/2002 5:36:10 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
Florida law says license applicants shall be issued "a color photographic or digital imaged drivers license bearing a full-face photograph."

ACLU lawyer Howard Marks argues that the law is vague. "I don't think the state statutes mandate a photograph," he said.

I guess the ACLU is putting their money where their mouth is and has started to hire the retarded.

542 posted on 01/31/2002 5:36:15 PM PST by Rome2000
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
.....and don't get all paranoid about a woman who doesn't want her face on her driver's license.

.....yet are very paranoid about having a photo ID on a driver's license. Your arguments are unreasonable.

If she doesn't like it, she can leave. This is not the United States of Islam.

544 posted on 01/31/2002 5:43:27 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
......yet you are very paranoid......
545 posted on 01/31/2002 5:44:43 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: summer
Want to make a guess on the outcome? How can veiled woman cash checks or have any kind of ID.. If they want to live in a society like that they need to go home.

Does anyone know what NYS does? I will refuse my pic on the grounds of religious discrimination...I am sick of this stuff!

546 posted on 01/31/2002 5:45:14 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: summer
To husband Abdul-Malik, also known as Mark Freeman, the state's action is an infringement on his and his wife's rights.

Hello, Earth to Freeman family - driving is a priveledge.

547 posted on 01/31/2002 5:48:39 PM PST by agrace
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Discussion taking place on the Stacy (sp?) Taylor show on KOGO-600 in Southern California right now.

They have a guest from CAIR (Council for American-Islamic Relations) defending Sultaana Freeman's plight, but evading the direct questions from Mr. Taylor. Nothing new, really.

549 posted on 01/31/2002 5:50:40 PM PST by heleny
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
"Identifying" everyone is not even marginally going to prevent crimes of any variety, let alone whatever people imagine this woman or her friends might do.

Garbage. Ever hear of identity theft?

.......or let's see, who rented that U-Haul truck? Some woman calling herself (fill in name)

550 posted on 01/31/2002 5:52:20 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
This type of situation would be ripe for exploitation. Ask the Democrats at the polling places.
553 posted on 01/31/2002 5:54:45 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
Those who will sacrifice a little freedom for a little security will have neither freedom nor security.

Give me a break. Photographic driver's license IDs have been around for years. This isn't something "new".

The very name "Sultaana" and especially combined with the name "Freeman" raise little red flags in my mind, it's purely prejudicial on my part and I have to consciously suppress that reaction, but it's there, I worked hard to become a bigot and I'm not going to give it up easily.

I saw that.

Makes me wonder where to find people with a little backbone who aren't afraid of a woman who wants her face covered.

I think the backbone needed is that which enables Americans to stand up against PC liberals. Like this creep and her ACLU attorneys.

555 posted on 01/31/2002 6:06:00 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: NYCVirago
"To take it off would be the equivalent of some other woman being forced to remove her blouse," said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington, D.C.-based Islamic advocacy group."

I get really sick of this crappy analogy. It doesn't fly. For starters, I don't walk around in my bra in front of my dad, brothers, uncles, grandfathers, etc. And, I've seen Muslim women de-cloak in public ladies' rooms, with no thought to the fact that there were other women there. Most women don't walk in a public ladies' room and take off our blouses!

556 posted on 01/31/2002 6:06:13 PM PST by joathome
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To: WindRiverShoshoni
LOL..........these people just kill me.
558 posted on 01/31/2002 6:08:47 PM PST by Howlin
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To: XBob
I think we went with Freedomist or something
559 posted on 01/31/2002 8:35:15 PM PST by GeronL
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To: joathome
"To take it off would be the equivalent of some other woman being forced to remove her blouse," said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington, D.C.-based Islamic advocacy group."

I get really sick of this crappy analogy. It doesn't fly. For starters, I don't walk around in my bra in front of my dad, brothers, uncles, grandfathers, etc. And, I've seen Muslim women de-cloak in public ladies' rooms, with no thought to the fact that there were other women there. Most women don't walk in a public ladies' room and take off our blouses!

I hadn't heard this analogy before the article, but you raise some very good points as to why it's a bad one.

560 posted on 01/31/2002 9:57:09 PM PST by NYCVirago
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