If OBL did have end stage kidney failure, he is probably dead --if treatment wasn't available.
Posted on 01/18/2002 9:51:02 AM PST by Interloper
Bin Laden 'may have died from kidney ailment'
Pakistan's president believes Osama bin Laden may have died from a kidney ailment.
General Pervez Musharraf told CNN that bin Laden may have died because he was unable to get treatment during the US bombing campaign.
Musharraf did not indicate whether he had intelligence reports to back up his suspicions. He added that, if bin Laden is still alive, he is still in Afghanistan.
Musharraf said: "I think now, frankly, he is dead for the reason that he is a patient, a kidney patient.
"We know that he donated two dialysis machines into Afghanistan. One was specifically for his own personal use."
Bin Laden last appeared in a video tape broadcast on December 26 by the Arabic language television station Al-Jazeera, during which he praised the perpetrators of the September 11 attacks.
Bin Laden looked pale and gaunt. He occasionally smiled as he spoke and, although clearly thinner than in past tapes, his voice was strong and slightly raspy.
Musharraf added: "I don't know if he has been getting all that treatment in Afghanistan now. And the photographs that have been shown of him on television show him extremely weak."
Last month, Musharraf told Chinese television there was a "great possibility" that bin Laden was dead.
He suggested that bin Laden could have been killed in the US bombing of the Tora-Bora camp in eastern Afghanistan. A search of the area by U.S. special forces turned up no trace of bin Laden.
Story filed: 18:41 Friday 18th January 2002
Doubtful he is indeed dead, but, if so, I sure hope it was slow, and painful.
Naaaah..... he would still be a martyr because he denied himself proper treatment in order to carry out his plan and therefore please Allah.
You might be right, but we still need to search for him.
sure . .. I can see why you think this option might have been pursued (NOT!!!).
Mike
My husband was a dialysis patient for 7 years; one of the 'weapons' dialysis patients always felt they had to keep themselves in control of their destiny was that they could decide whether to dialyze or not, thus bringing an end to their life.
I was with my husband several times when he discussed this not only with other patients, but with the doctors, and nursing staffs. They all indicated that without dialyzing, you could figure from 3 to 7 days. Before the end, the patient goes into a comma and doesn't recover....we knew a patient who took this course of action.
It looks like his "organ ghouls" may have failed to procure a kidney (or at least an adequate one) for the sand-goblin-in-chief (Bin Laden).
Another possibility is that somewhere along his lines of communication, the word "liver" inadvertently replaced the word "kidney" (in between all the "praise be Allah" regergatations). That would explain the recent demand seen around here for livers.
Of course, even if those idiots got their filthy hands on a "good" kidney, the odds of them having a successful transplant are about the same as a 12th century Mongol horde putting a man on the moon.
It could take quite a while. I lost a cat to kidney failure, and it's not something I would wish on even bin Laden.
When the treatment is done(3 hours or more depending on the amount to be pulled off) they are weighed again....the goal is to bring them a hair below 'normal' or 'normal'.
Fluid retention is bad. There are people who will gain 8 - 10 pounds or so between treatments....the more fluid to come off, the harder it is on your body, because the machine is trying to do oin 4 hours what your body does naturally 24/7.
Those on CAPD don't have that weight problem....but they have to worry about peritonitis.
Whatever do you mean by 'grosser'?
My husband tried the Continuous Cycler Dialysis machine...that's where you're hooked up while you sleep....but that didn't work out for him--the lines kept kinking.....and with the little noises the machine kept making, he couldn't sleep and it even woke me up.
He wound up doing the Continuous Ambulatory Peritoneal Dialysis--where you do the 4 bag exchanges a day; which uses the peritoneal membrane in the abdominal cavity....of all the way to have to do dialysis, he much preferred this one because he didn't have the 'up and down roller coaster rise with his blood pressure' from the machines; he could travel easily with CAPD; he didn't need a 'partner' to operate a machine;; he wasn't stuck sitting for hours at a time.
The only thing that could possibly be considered 'gross' was the little tube which extended out from the abdomen through which the dialysate was exchanged...wasn't gross that I could tell...never interfered with anything.
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