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To: Sabramerican
All I know is my fathers story. Otherwise I have heard contradictory arguments on both sides. I don't like the Israeli government, but, of course, I have nothing against innocent Israeli citizens.

I don't beleive in something for the sake of beleiving in it. I am not "pro-palestine", not anymore at least, because of the disgusting acts of Palestenians and their apparent condoning of them by the greater population.

The Nazi's certainly did horrible things to the Jews. But none of that changes the fact that Israeli government has engaged in evil acts - to some the ends, that is Israel, justifies the means.

There was a hole blown into my father's family's home, and they left in fear for their lives from fighting brought to them by Israeli forces.

But I have no love for the theocratic arab countries either, in fact, in light of recent events I strongly beleive that modern muslim culture is degenerate and they should not be allowed to become a world power.

At any rate I have figured out the solution to the Israeli-Palestenian problem. Do what my father did. Get an education and come to America and live free and prosper. That strip of rock and sand isn't worth it.

32 posted on 01/07/2002 4:01:02 PM PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: NC_Libertarian
Some history with which you may not be familiar. From an Israeli source (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/vie/Telaviv.html) so maybe you won't believe it either.

"Tel Aviv is the first all-Jewish city in modern times. Originally named Ahuzat Bayit, it was founded by 60 families in 1909 as a Jewish neighborhood near Jaffa. In 1910, the name was changed to Tel Aviv, meaning "hill of spring." The name was taken from Ezekiel 3:15, "...and I came to the exiles at Tel Aviv," and from a reference in Herzl's novel Altneuland, in which he foresaw the future Jewish state as a socialist utopia. Most Jews were expelled from Jaffa and Tel Aviv by the Turks during World War I, but returned after the war when Britain received the mandate for Palestine.

The population of Tel Aviv gradually swelled, particularly as Jews were stimulated to leave predominantly Arab Jaffa by unrest in the 1920's. Arab forces in Jaffa shelled Tel Aviv in 1948 prior to the beginning of the actual war. Jewish forces responded by capturing the city two days before declaring independence. The declaration was made in the home of the city's mayor Meir Dizengoff."

That strip of rock and sand isn't worth it.

The difference is that for the Jews it is worth everything.

42 posted on 01/07/2002 4:29:07 PM PST by Sabramerican
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192 posted on 03/13/2002 9:40:13 AM PST by timestax
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253 posted on 04/14/2002 7:44:03 AM PDT by timestax
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