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To: Orual; patent; jmj333; proud2brc
You are still not reading what I posted in 169. I did NOT quote you - nor did I mean to. Yet you assumed I was quoting you! That is the source of your confusion - your hasty assumption.

My post 169 is my own statement about me and what happens at my novus ordo parish - which I repeat again for you here (note there are a few slight intentional differences between what I posted in 169 and what you posted in 105):

"In my novus ordo parish we pray for him every Sunday, on First Fridays, First Saturdays, after Benediction, during Holy Hours, during perpetual adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, on Holy Days of Obligation and during the rosary."

This statementclosely resembles your post 105 precisely to make my point that many wonderful Catholics in thriving novus ordo parishes are very very faithful and traditional.

Does your Latin-only parish have perpetual adoration? Is it a parish or a schismatic "chapel"?

I would think that subtlety would be appreciated by someone who appreciates traditional liturgy. I love the Tridentine Mass - though I have only been once. I also loathe the prevalent abuse found in many novus ordo parishes. Yet I loathe even more those individuals who purposefully torment and defy the pope - both leftish fools and integralist extremists (which perhaps you are).

173 posted on 01/06/2002 5:08:09 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding
Yet I loathe even more those individuals who purposefully torment and defy the pope - both leftish fools and integralist extremists (which perhaps you are).

Your vitriol is so refreshing and now we're back to where you started. This "loathesome" charge of yours is precisely why I posted the reply which you quoted almost verbatim and directed to me - except you put novus ordo in front of it. Perhaps you should use your own words rather than quoting others. I have been called a Protestant on this thread for the first time, and now you pile more insults on the heap, although I'm not at all sure what they mean. A leftish? - is that a word? - a "leftish fool" and an "integralist extremist". My, oh, my. Since I don't know what the latter term means, maybe I'll want to be one. I notice you called in the troops. Can't you handle this alone? I wonder how one "purposefully torments" the Pope? Do they put a burr under his chair?

174 posted on 01/06/2002 5:50:36 PM PST by Orual
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To: Notwithstanding; orual
This may not seem like it applies to the argument--but it does.

The battles within the Catholic Church since Vatican II have been fought over many issues, mostly sexual, but the real conflict has been over the teaching authority of the Magisterium.

Man in his fallen state does not like authority. He prefers to make his own rules. Satans proposal to Adam and Eve will always have resonance: man, rather than God, gets to decide what is right and wrong. But this attempt at a radical human autonomy is bad metaphysics; it ignores the fact that in God "we live and move and have our being." It is also a formula for unhappiness. God is only interested in our own good, both now and in eternity, and this good can be anchored only in objective truths which we ourselves do not create.

But we need an infallible means of knowing these truths, since our intellect and judgment are clouded.

188 posted on 01/06/2002 6:53:42 PM PST by JMJ333
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