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To: GOPcapitalist
Lincoln's position towards blacks was nowhere near as moral, equality based, freedom oriented, or anti-slavery as you have repeatedly asserted it to be.

But it was.

"it is also unsatisfactory to some that the elective franchise is not given to the colored man. I would myself prefer that it were now conferred on the very intelligent, and on those who serve our cause as soldiers."

4/11/65

What could be more fair than that?

Your attack on Lincoln and the record puts me in mind of something else he said:

"...peace does not appear as distant as it did. I hope it will come soon, and come to stay; and so come as to worth the keeping in all future time. It will have then been proved that, among free men, there can be no successful appeal from the ballot to the bullet; and that they who take such appeal are sure to lose their case, and pay the cost. And then, there will be some black men, who can remember that, with silent tongue, and clenched teeth, and steady eye, and well-poised bayonet they have helped mankind on to this great consumation; while, I fear, there will be some white ones, unable to forget that, with malignant heart, and deceitful speech, have strove to hinder it. Still let us not be over-sanguine of a speedy final triumph. Let us be quite sober. Let us dilligently apply the means, never doubting that a just God, in his own good time, will give us the rightful result."

8/23/63

Walt

217 posted on 12/19/2001 1:33:31 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Lincoln's position towards blacks was nowhere near as moral, equality based, freedom oriented, or anti-slavery as you have repeatedly asserted it to be.- ME

But it was. - WALT

If that is the case, then why are you unable to reconcile it with, much less address, either of the following statements by Mr. Lincoln himself?I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." - Lincoln, 8/17/1858. So much for BEFORE the war, but what about DURING the war? "You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races." - Lincoln, 8/1862

As I said of your position earlier, I shall say again: Quod gratis asseritur gratis negatur.

282 posted on 12/19/2001 11:26:34 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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