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To: freeeee; codeword; texlok
I can agree with the first ammendment part of your arguments but I don't agree with the argument that 'she's just a kid so she is no threat'. The political objective of an antiwar movement is to undermine morale, create a fifth column of sympathisers behind enemy(from their point of view) lines and if possible foment insurrection causing the diversion of resouces from fighting the war to law enforcement.

The question she should be forced to answer is "Assuming that you actually have power and that your actions have practical consequences what would you do?". If she believes that America is irredeemably evil, then would she leave and if so where would she go? If she is going to enemy territory, would she be willing to wear a burqa? If she is going to a more liberal western style democracy such as Canada, then does she support that country being an ally of and receiving protection from the U.S.A.

If she believes that Amereica is flawed but fixable, then does that not imply an obligation to defend it from those who would destroy it completely? Does being antiracist,a feminist, and a lesbian require belonging to a society that is willing to defend these rights even if it means the use of force? If someone tried to beat her up or rape her would she defend herself? Should someone else defend her? Where does that right of self defense come from?

Being an anarchist or against all authority is an attractive philosophy for a teenager who has no authority of her own. Growing up means you have to assume some power and responsibility. When she answers my questions she can go back to school. Until then she is just engaging in a public act of political masturbation.

123 posted on 12/12/2001 1:46:22 PM PST by ganesha
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To: ganesha
The political objective of an antiwar movement is to undermine morale, create a fifth column of sympathisers behind enemy(from their point of view) lines and if possible foment insurrection causing the diversion of resouces from fighting the war to law enforcement.

I can see that being the case some of the time, but sometimes anti-war protesters just want a change in foreign policy. Since this is a representative government, all citizens are entitled to voice their opinion in the actions that government takes on their behalf. That being said, I don't agree with today's anti-war protesters. I merely recognize their right to speech. Their protests are futile because the free marketplace of ideas recognizes that pacifism in the face of aggression as absurd.

The question she should be forced to answer is…

She doesn't have to answer any questions. Free speech also means the right not to speak. Furthermore, defendants have a 5th Amendment right to remain silent.

In anticipation of a response of "But she's not a defendant": Well if she isn't a defendant, then she cannot be subject to any penalties, lest she also be deprived of her 5th Amendment right to due process.

124 posted on 12/12/2001 2:16:46 PM PST by freeeee
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To: ganesha
The political objective of an antiwar movement is to undermine morale, create a fifth column of sympathisers behind enemy(from their point of view) lines and if possible foment insurrection causing the diversion of resouces from fighting the war to law enforcement.

There is a big leap from a t-shirt and chants and speaking out to causing mayhem and terror and destruction. When she crosses the line, then punish her. Until then, respect her rights under the Constitution. If speaking out against the system/against the government is a crime, we are all in a lot of trouble.

Growing up means you have to assume some power and responsibility. When she answers my questions she can go back to school.

You make a very good point, she is not grown up. I might point out she is not only not grown-up, but at an age when many people do crazy things that they aren't proud of later on, and it's not our job to interpret the Constitution the way we want to.

130 posted on 12/12/2001 2:48:48 PM PST by texlok
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To: ganesha
The political objective of an antiwar movement is to undermine morale, create a fifth column of sympathisers behind enemy(from their point of view) lines and if possible foment insurrection causing the diversion of resouces from fighting the war to law enforcement.
I just knew posters on FreeRepublic who were against Clinton's Kosovo war were a bunch of traitors.

The question she should be forced to answer is
Any statement that starts out with this, about someone who is in no way accused of a criminal act, is frightening. I hope you don't mean this literally.
148 posted on 12/13/2001 10:15:53 AM PST by drjimmy
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