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A village is destroyed. And America says nothing happened
The Independent ^ | 12.04.01 | Richard Lloyd Parry

Posted on 12/04/2001 9:53:48 AM PST by truth4all

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To: Tennessee_Bob
A friend of mine was a simulator troop at K.I. Sawyer and went for a ride-along, he said they never broke 500 feet during the entire mission profile, except for aerial refueling.

I'm not getting into this fray, think it's more of a propaganda piece more than anything, but Bob, I have a question for your "friend". A B52 flying 500 ft off the deck? This is not a Tactical Fighter we are talking about here. That lumbering giant would not survive the fight to stay airborne @ 500 ft., maybe your friend was referring to a simulator flight? or perhaps you dropped a zero? 5000 ft?
Blackbird.
102 posted on 12/09/2001 2:24:16 AM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
115-40=75 bodies turned into Kibbles and Bits? Don't think so. Of course a genius like yourself knows that noble villagers, especially in Afghanistan, are pillars of truth, so are journalists, and socialists are not mathmatical whizzes when it comes to creative math.
103 posted on 12/09/2001 2:55:01 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: fightu4it
And perhaps Brian should be working to get the Australian govt to with draw their troops from the theater if he is so convinced this war against terrorism is wrong...
if I am remembering incorrectly that Aussie troops are there, I'm sure he will rub my face in it

104 posted on 12/09/2001 2:58:35 AM PST by wewillnotfail
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To: truth4all
The cowardly taliban and AlQueda fighters hide their weapons and themselves among the civilian populous and when civilians die all the sudden, to these flaming scum liberal reporters, it is the Americans fault... HOGWASH.. Perhaps these critics themselves should take up arms and go in and find the maggots among civilians.

He would possibly think different if it were his flesh and blood that perished in the WTC.

105 posted on 12/09/2001 3:16:52 AM PST by dokmad
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To: truth4all
... LIES ... "I had only one moment of real fear, when an American B-52 flew overhead. We halted our convoy, clambered out of the cars and trotted into the fields on either side. The plane did a slow circle; I was conscious of electronic eyes looking down on us, the only traffic on the road." ... LIES ... A B52 does does NOT circle or loiter! What a crock! Why are you spewing this crap?
106 posted on 12/09/2001 3:24:43 AM PST by RKBA_Champ
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To: truth4all
There's nothing more despicable than Liberal journalists; & a white Liberal male English journalist the most dispicable of them all.

...btw; change your screen name to, Truth4no1; fast.

107 posted on 12/09/2001 3:28:10 AM PST by Landru
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Byron, do you seriously believe that American pilots have been instructed to target civilians? If so, do you think the Americans, and anti Taliban forces, that were killed by what was said to be "friendly fire", were actually deliberately targeted by that B-52?

What would be the object, or "plus side" if you will, of such actions?

People die in war. It's unavoidable. You have to admit that the USA goes out of their way, even to our detriment, to avoid collateral damage. Do you expect perfection? Do you think we (FReepers) should demand, or expect, perfection? What is your point?

108 posted on 12/09/2001 3:32:26 AM PST by Gumption
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
You are the one who is pretty pathetic, posting that disgusting Nazi paraphernalia and all. On 9/11, there were a lot of Americans who wanted to "nuke" Afghanistan, if not the entire Middle East. I'm sure the thought crossed the mind of President Bush himself for a moment or two. I'm sorry that offends your sensibilities but we in America have nothing to be ashamed of. We sustained a brutal attack on 9/11 and then had to see the people over there dancing in the streets and celebrating the destruction. Of course many of us fantasized a giant mushroom cloud wiping the smiles off their faces forever.

But fantasizing and doing are two separate things. Yeah, maybe if I was president, I would have given the nuclear option more serious consideration than President Bush. But I'm not the president. We have elections here in America that tend to eliminate hotheads like me from contention. So you can rest safe knowing that I'll never be America's president. Then again, had I had the power and knowledge of the presidency, chances are, my emotions would have been held in check, knowing that I also had the military option that is now being employed. But that said, the United States does have nuclear weapons at its disposal and they WILL be used to defend this nation if there are no other alternatives.

So you can get off your high and mighty throne down there in sunny Australia and take your Nazi literature with you.

109 posted on 12/09/2001 5:10:05 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Awwww. Let it all out, Sauron. After 9/11, it's okay to be a racist.

You consider Muslims to be of a separate race? Even though Palestinians and Israelis are geneticly almost indistinguishable, as are Pakistanis and Indians and Black Muslims v Black Christians? Besides, the "racist" card has been so over-used that it's getting tattered and moldy

I consider Islam (as currently believed and practiced in Islamic countries, not your theoretical construct), to be a loathsome belief system. The way I feel about someone who chooses to follow that belief system, is probably comparable to how you would feel about someone who chooses to belong to the Nazi Party or the KKK.

110 posted on 12/09/2001 5:39:15 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: eaglewatch
Ref #3: I have not been in the military since 1968. Back then, the B52's flew so high you couldn't even see the damn things! Do they do low altitude fly-bys now? VERY FISHY or a very stupid reporter!

The contrails of the B-52's are very visible over the cool skies of Afghansistan. Perhaps they would not be quite so visible in a warmer climate. Also, they are dropping a lot of JDAMS, which may require a lower altitude. (Not sure)

111 posted on 12/09/2001 5:46:10 AM PST by NeonKnight
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To: truth4all
I wonder....if an airplane had by hijacked and quided into the hometown of this dear 'reporter'.....

...how much concern would be shown then ?? ??

112 posted on 12/09/2001 6:05:44 AM PST by Alabama_Wild_Man
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To: BlackbirdSST
Nope, didn't drop a zero, and he wasn't referring to a sim flight. "All B-52s are equipped with an electro-optical viewing system that uses platinum silicide forward-looking infrared and high resolution low-light-level television sensors to augment targeting, battle assessment, and flight safety, thus further improving its combat ability and low-level flight capability.

Pilots wear night vision goggles (NVGs) to enhance their vision during night operations. Night vision goggles provide greater safety during night operations by increasing the pilot's ability to visually clear terrain, avoid enemy radar and see other aircraft in a covert/lights-out environment.

The B-52H was provided with equipment intended to make low-altitude operations safer and easier on the crews. The H was the first version to receive this new equipment, although some Ds, Es, Fs and Gs were later retrofitted. The new systems provided relief from the tremendous strain posed on pilots and navigators in flying at low altitudes at high speeds for long periods of time. Instrumentation was provided for terrain following. An advanced capability radar (ACR) radar was fitted which could give three-dimensional information on a dual-mode video display on the pilot's and navigator's instrument panel. The height of the terrain was shown continuously at selected distances of three, six or ten miles ahead of the aircraft. The pilot could select either a PLAN mode which gave a map-like display or a PROFILE mode which showed the terrain height at various ranges ahead of the aircraft. In order to assist the pilot in flying at low level, control wheel steering was built into the MA-2 autopilot. This reduced the amount of control forces and the frequency of control movements required to fly the aircraft.

No runway in sight.  Welcome to low-level penetration.

That, and I've seen them fly low-level missions while I was at Nellis.

113 posted on 12/09/2001 7:49:07 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Cacique
...I also subscribe to the idea that a population of a nation is responsible for the leaders they maintain in power and follow and are therefore responsible for said actions of that leadership....

How convenient for you.

So you think the women of Afghanistan 'maintain their leaders in power'?

Idiot.

114 posted on 12/09/2001 10:55:09 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: tomkat
...you really are a whining asshole ...

...and you're either too gutless, or too stupid, to address the issue at hand. Probably a bit of both.

115 posted on 12/09/2001 10:58:02 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: skull stomper
...I don't give a rats a## about their motives, it's what they did/do that counts....

What who did, Skull? Because at this point, we don't even know if Bin Laden and his clique are still in Afghanistan. Sorry if the facts get in the way of your excitement at watching the latest DoD MPEG, but I'm a gunowner; and therefore not real big, on collective guilt.

116 posted on 12/09/2001 11:03:03 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: eaglewatch
"Do they do low altitude fly-bys now?"

I was driving with a woman from Seattle to Montana a few years ago and stopped at a Columbia River Gorge vista point to admire the view.  There were around 10 other people there and we're all looking down in this picturesque canyon when we hear a rumble coming from up toward the north.  Just as I look northward a B-52 comes flying around a bend in the canyon and passes us....not above...not eye-level but BELOW - so we're all looking at the top of this monster as it flies by.

"Whoa" was just about the only thing I could say about it.

117 posted on 12/09/2001 11:04:53 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: MissAmericanPie
...115-40=75 bodies turned into Kibbles and Bits? Don't think so....

The fact is, you don't know, and you don't want to know. You're sitting behind your computer, disputing an eyewitness account, that differs with your cosy worldview.

118 posted on 12/09/2001 11:05:22 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Gumption
....Byron, do you seriously believe that American pilots have been instructed to target civilians? If so, do you think the Americans, and anti Taliban forces, that were killed by what was said to be "friendly fire", were actually deliberately targeted by that B-52?....

Of course not. But do you find it interesting, that so many on this thread are prepared to deny a village of innocents was bombed, and yet a month later another bomb kills US and Alliance soldiers?

What I am saying is this :

1. Let's not automatically pile on any report contrary to our prejudices because the 'reporter's English', or the paper's 'liberal' (which is a load of crap anyway, the Independent has done some excellent reporting), or the dead villagers 'deserved it.'

2. What has happened to the usual questioning of authority that takes place on FR? Considering the problems caused by the misapplication of firepower in, say, Somalia (a country with a similar clan/warlord system) is it now 'unpatriotic' not go into a goosestep on demand?

119 posted on 12/09/2001 11:19:23 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: SamAdams76
...you are the one who is pretty pathetic, posting that disgusting Nazi paraphernalia and all....

Hey, they were an appropriate response to your posts, Dr. Strangelove. But I see you've been burning up the Freepmail wires today, getting the moderators to delete them. Lucky for you the umpire's on your side.

120 posted on 12/09/2001 11:26:24 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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