[mdittmar]

That kind of stuff makes you wonder about what is going on now with the war on terrorism.

It may make you wonder but I know.

We're blowing the hell out of the people responsible for harboring the terrorist responsible for killing 6000 innocent people and we won't stop until they are eliminated.

Then we will go after other terrorist around the world.

Pretty straight forward if you ask me.

[Bahbah]

Well, the dollar has not collapsed, so what do you think of the validity of that report now?

[Harrison Bergeron]

" Now the Russian Govt and Russian News Media are urging the Russian Citizens to trade in their US Dollars for the Gold Coin."

Heh heh. Producers of gold coinage do this every day. It's a very high margin commodity and the gold sellers make a killing off of the panicky gold bugs.

[exnavy]

NOT a source that I would trust.

[OK]

about 7 months ago Russia has created a new Coin currency - a real Gold Coin

Yes the coin is called the Chervonets (red). It is directly convertible to Rubles and valued at the price of the gold content. It is legal tender in Russia and is meant to replace US dollars as a savings vehicle for Russians. Lenin advised that gold is the best money.

They say there is about $100 billion in cash sloshing around in Russia. The government wants to replace this with gold coins.

[RobbyS]

I think it is rather clear now that FDR intended to use the Pacific Fleet as bait. Stinnet's book, The Day of Deceit, makes a good case for the argument that FDR knew that the US had to take a real body blow before we would unite against the Axis Powers.

[dbbeebs]

I don't believe it.

[real saxophonist]

'Getappo'? Is this a Japanese translation?

[backhoe]

FWIW--

Pearl! Dec. 7, 1941- what really happened?

[BluH2o]

... in the latest (in late 90s) release of German Nazi Gestappo War documents, they show a transcript of the Gestappo intercepting a communications between Winston Churchill and President Roosvelt where Churchill warns FDR of the upcoming attack of the Japanese against Pearl Harbor.

The British anticipated an attack by Japan, somewhere in the far east, well in advance of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Canadian troops were dispatched from Vancouver, by ship, in early November of 1941 to reinforce the British garrison on the island of Hong Kong. They arrived in late November, about 10 days before Pearl Harbor. On December 8 (the same day as Pearl Harbor ... but a day later, per the Int'l Date Line) the Japanese launched an attack from mainland China on the British garrison protecting Hong Kong. The British and Canadian troops, without any back up or re-provisioning whatsoever, held out 'till December 25 Xmas morning, before surrendering.
There is no doubt that Churchill knew the Japanese were poised to attack somewhere in the western Pacific ... there is nothing to indicate the British had intelligence indicating the Japs were going to attack Pearl Harbor first. Anything to the contrary is pure bunk pushed forward by Monday AM historical revisionists & journalists.

[Arthur McGowan]

Joe Sobran wrote recently that ever since 1941, every ten years there has been a best-selling book that provides complete, total documentation of the fact that Roosevelt knew in advance about Pearl Harbor. Each book is ignored by the government--never any hearings, never an indictment, etc. Then, ten years later, another historian does it all over again.

[LS]

Jim Marrs is a well-known conspiracy kook. As a trained American historian, I can tell you there is NO SUCH DOCUMENT. The British and the Russians both passed on GENERIC warnings about Japanese Far Eastern initiatives, and EVERYONE, including both Britian and Russia thought this to mean Singapore (which it did).

Moreover, the Gestapo did NOT have any means of breaking the British/U.S. codes and Churchill and FDR did not talk on "open channel," nor by radio or telephone at all. It is pure bunk.

[ChadGore]

My Suggestion ?

[HENRYADAMS]

Print out the communication from Churchill to FDR. The one warning of the attack.

[No Truce With Kings]

I agree with the guy who suggested that you really believe this you need to get fitted for a tinfoil hat.

Suggest you read the book At Dawn We Slept. It covers this myth quite comprehensively, and explodes it throroughly.

[Pompah]

Hmmmm ? Better check and see what TIME thinks. Or mabey NEWSWEEK, or PEOPLE.
Hmmmmm ?

[Alabama_Wild_Man]

"...Churchill warns FDR..."
======================

2300+ US Servicemen were "Surprised" on December 7, 1941.....FDR wasn't !! !! !!

[garycooper]

I couldn't tell you about Pearl Harbor, but I will tell you that a plane crashed into the PENTAGON.

[aristeides]

I would certainly like to see evidence that the Germans intercepted this particular warning. Does anybody have a source or a link?

[Pilsner]

Getsapo = GEhieme STAtts POliezi, or Secret State Police (forgive any spelling errors). It was charged with internal oppression, not operating abroad. Claiming the Gestapo intercepted a Churchill/FDR conversation is like claiming the FBI is monitoring calls between Saddam Hussien in Iraq and Kim in North Korea -- it betrays a fundamental misunderstanding about what security organ does what.

And another thing conspiracy fans. Even if you think FDR was trying to provoke a Japanese attack, why the hell would he want it to succede? Adm. Kimmel smashing a surprise Japanese attack 500 miles north of Pearl Harbor would have gotten us into the war just as surely.