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Go Ahead, Microsoft, Flatter Apple Again
BusinessWeek Online ^ | OCTOBER 17, 2001 | Charles Haddad

Posted on 10/20/2001 11:49:24 AM PDT by CheneyChick

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:16:28 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Mac heads shouldn't get too upset when they see how closely Windows XP apes Apple's OS X. In the long run, imitation can only help Jobs & Co.

Even though Windows XP won't be officially released until Oct. 25, I can hear the Mac faithful howling already. Once again, Mac heads are accusing Microsoft of building its latest PC operating system on innovations pioneered at Apple. And, quite frankly, they have a point. New XP features such as Windows Movie Maker, My Pictures, and the revamped Windows Media Player strike me as awfully similar to Apple's iMovie, Image Capture, and iTunes software.


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To: Timesink
Without Apple, MS's market share is essentially 100%.

Doesn't Linux now own a bigger share than Apple (which hovers around 5%)? Last I saw, Microsoft owned about 87% of the market. Apple's share is a spit in the ocean.

161 posted on 10/21/2001 10:52:11 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Lizzy W
Nevermind about Vermonter, I'm moving in with you! I can't wait until I can afford a titanium with airport.

No problem Lizzy W, the AirPort base station is actually in the spare bedroom your new room.

162 posted on 10/21/2001 10:53:14 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Regarding marketshare, let's put it in perspective:

Apple currently has around 5% market share in personal computers. This means that out of one hundred computer users, five of them use Macs. While that may not sound like a lot, it is actually higher than both BMW’s and Mercedes-Benz’s share of the automotive market. And it equals 25 million customers around the world using Macs.

163 posted on 10/21/2001 10:57:20 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: CheneyChick
Apple currently has around 5% market share in personal computers. This means that out of one hundred computer users, five of them use Macs.

Wasn't this the same argument used by the Buchananites and Libertarians? ;-)

164 posted on 10/21/2001 10:59:15 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Aw, now don't be dragging politics in on this thread.... heh heh.

I'm not dumping my Mac and I'm not dumping the Beemer. Neener, neener. CC :)

165 posted on 10/21/2001 11:02:43 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: CheneyChick
LOL! Oh joy, I can't wait!
166 posted on 10/21/2001 11:05:14 AM PDT by Lizzy W
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To: bwteim
>Or Balance of Power.
>>Wow, that is like a time warp. That was hot when it first came out. Imagine it now with Afghan/Middle East settings (on any one of a number of platforms).

Chris Crawford, the creator, has a website. I should track it down and ask if he's going to re-release it. Now that you mention it, it does seem like the perfect game for the present world...

(A title I didn't include but should have, Chipwits, one of my all time favorites, seems about to be re-released...)

Mark W.

167 posted on 10/21/2001 11:17:52 AM PDT by MarkWar
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To: CheneyChick
I'm not dumping my Mac and I'm not dumping the Beemer. Neener, neener. CC :)

Well, I'll use the superior Win XP and continue to drive Ammurrican......


168 posted on 10/21/2001 11:20:27 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Lizzy W
Running a Win2K box for the wife. Not bad.

Just bought a dual-800Mhz Apple G4 w/OS X. Great for graphics.

But the box I use over them all? Linux (Redhat 7.1 with the KDE desktop).

And the Penguin in the sky said, "Let there be Linux."

And the Penguin in the sky saw Linux, and it was GOOD.

169 posted on 10/21/2001 11:29:58 AM PDT by rdb3
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To: Leroy S. Mort
And I'll smoke your a$$ on both counts - with my OS X 10.1 and my Made in America beemer. Wanna race?

Tee hee. CC :)

170 posted on 10/21/2001 11:32:03 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: CheneyChick
How much of a head start do you require? ;-)
171 posted on 10/21/2001 11:33:25 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: CheneyChick
I'm not sure what this was other than a Mac circle jerk.

The significant thing here is not that MS is aping Mac as the problems MS is building into using their software.
I am just waiting for someone who innovates the use of non-XP MS software long enough to migrate to another OS, not Apple and certainly not MS

172 posted on 10/21/2001 12:00:03 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: Lizzy W
Could you use a good handiman?
173 posted on 10/21/2001 12:02:29 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: gratefulwharffratt
Actually, MS split in December of 96, then twice during the time indicated. I believe that Apple may have split once during that time period as well, but I'd have to check. In any event, Apple stock hasn't out-performed MS stock by any reasonable measure. And since Gates still holds the stock, which is currently trading in the low 18's, by your own accounting, he's actually lost money.

But Gates didn't invest in Apple to make money on the stock. He's much better served sticking with his own. As far as an investment goes, at this point, Apple is a sucker bet. Each year, they become more and more marginalized, and while the Titanium Powerbook has done well, it is off-set by the G4 Cube disaster.

No, Gates invested in Apple to insure that his investment in Office for the mac didn't suddenly go tits-up, and also to gain leverage with Apple's management. There was also the PR aspect, which was huge.

The mac's dirty little secret... the top software developer for them is Microsoft. If history is any indication, then it is only a matter of time for Apple.

BTW, if you read my post, you'd see I use both. I have a G4 that I use for Media100 and AfterEffects, and I stated that it is superior for graphics processing and manipulation. But on all other counts, Windows wins hands down. I'm not anti-mac, just a realist.

174 posted on 10/21/2001 12:03:36 PM PDT by bootyist-monk
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PCs are better in some instances. But the market share of Windows is as high as it is because most folks don't know what they're buying or how to evaluate their needs and value of the prouct.
175 posted on 10/21/2001 12:06:47 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
But the market share of Windows is as high as it is because most folks don't know what they're buying or how to evaluate their needs and value of the prouct.

Bingo.

176 posted on 10/21/2001 12:26:17 PM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: bootyist-monk
There was also the PR aspect, which was huge.


FINALLY we agree on something. If the anti-trust weenies hadn't been breathing down his neck, he prolly would NOT have done it. If he would have converted the shares when he was first able to, he would have turned a tidy profit though, before the tech bubble burst.

If I am not mistaken Office 2001 for the Mac was written by them separately than their windoze version, instead of merely porting over the codebase from the windoze side. It has received RAVE reviews, but I also think the macro language is the same, so now we have to worry about all those macro-based virii. I still use Appleworks though. If I need anything more than that, I reach for PageMaker.

I am not so anti-PC as I have let on here, but I won't stand by and let people bad mouth the Mac OS because I KNOW it rocks. NOTHING is easier than web development under PHP, using BBEdit on the Mac, and using NetAtalk under Linux for the file sharing daemon.

Even for ASP development for use under IIS, I still use BBEdit, and Services for Macintosh on NT. Phooey on Visual Interdev. I DO like Visual studio though. But I like Delphi a little better.

If I could only choose ONE OS to use from now on, it would be a hard call between RH Linux, and OS X. If OS X ever becomes available for Intel hardware, then I would be in hog heaven.

177 posted on 10/21/2001 12:39:52 PM PDT by gratefulwharffratt
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To: Don Joe
Sorry, Don...

I am a PC user, have been since DAY ONE.

I have NEVER used a Mac, only toyed with them maye 3 or 4 times in my life for a grand total of less tha a half-hour each time.

BUT- although I could see it was superior (and I have a BS in Computer science AND another one in Physics) I could never afford one back then. Why? Because when PC's were selling for $2500, Macs were selling for $3500.

and the Mac people watched for 15 years as Microsoft took over the market, and apparently could never once find someone buisness savvy enought to realize that if they sold at the same price (or cheaper) the people would choose the better system (Mac).

The Mac OS is and always has been a superior operating system, but I work on and program Microsft machines because that is where 90% of the market is.

178 posted on 10/21/2001 12:54:08 PM PDT by Mr. K
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To: CheneyChick
You should know better than to post this tripe. Preemptive multitasking? Protected memory? Encrypted filesystems? Any of this stuff ring a bell? Apple surely ain't a leader when it comes to many desktop technologies.
179 posted on 10/22/2001 5:59:56 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: D-fendr
But the market share of Windows is as high as it is because most folks don't know what they're buying or how to evaluate their needs and value of the prouct.

Well, thank God the "dumbass consumers" have got you to show them the error of their ways. Next, maybe you can teach 'em how to configure and maintain a Linux box ...
180 posted on 10/22/2001 6:02:21 PM PDT by Bush2000
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