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Hijackers' bodies set Bush grisly ethical question
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 10/06/2001 | DAMIAN WHITWORTH

Posted on 10/05/2001 4:51:32 PM PDT by Pokey78

IN carefully numbered plastic bags in refrigerated trucks parked at the mortuary at Dover Air Force base in Delaware sit human remains that have presented the Bush Adminstration with an ethical problem.

US investigators told The Times that they had certainly recovered, if not yet identified, the bodies of several of the suicide hijackers, prompting a debate over how to dispose of what is left of the most hated men in America.

The excavation of the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites was completed this week after forensics experts concluded that they had removed all body parts from both scenes. Officials said that although many of the remains were fragmented and charred, DNA tests would eventually identify all of the victims. The bodies of the men who killed them would also be identified, if only by a process of elimination.

The Administration is worried that if it gives the bodies to their families to bury there will be a public outcry. There are also concerns that other Islamic extremists would regard their graves as shrines.

The remains from the plans that crash into Pentagon and in Pennsylvania are being organised at the mortuary at Dover. Some have been identified by traditional methods, such as fingerprints, dental records and other distinguishing features.

Already hundreds of fragments have been taken in test tubes to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP) laboratories in Rockville, Maryland, for DNA testing. The institute identified all 230 victims of TWA 800 flight, after that aircraft exploded and the fragments plunged into Long Island Sound in 1996.

Paul Sledzik, the forensic anthropologist who led the search for the 44 passengers, crew and hijackers on board Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania, said that he was confident “we are likely to get 44 unique DNA profiles”. Scientists will use genetic material taken from the victims’ possessions, including razors and toothbrushes, or from their relatives, to make DNA matches that reveal the identities of the victims.

The FBI is believed to be extremely anxious to identify the bodies of the hijackers, especially as there are still doubts about some of their identities and there could be trials of other conspirators.

If relatives are persuaded to co-operate in providing reference samples, or the hijackers have left behind genetic material on possessions, the FBI believes that they could be identified.

Even if the identities are not clarified, the authorities will be left with the remains of nine hijackers from the two sites.

There is a precedent for handing over the remains of even the most notorious figures in American life. The body of Gamil el-Batouty, the co-pilot of EgyptAir Flight 990, who apparently committed suicide by crashing the aircraft into the Atlantic in 1999, was quietly returned to his family in Egypt last year for a private burial.

Even the nation’s most loathed murderers are allowed burial after execution.

Chris Kelly of the AFIP indicated that the authorities were reluctant to consider releasing the hijackers’ bodies. “We are not quite sure what will happen to them,” he said, but “we doubt very much we are going to be making an effort to reach family members over there.”

A source close to the investigation said: “There is this idea that if America is a country of justice it should not be seen to stop the mothers of even the worst monsters from burying their sons, but people would be outraged if these men were handed over for a Muslim burial.”

The Justice Department declined to return calls requesting comment on what it planned to do with the hijackers’ bodies. In the short term the remains are likely to be held for several years, in case of legal proceedings.

Mohammed Atta, the suspected ringleader of the hijackers who died in the first plane to hit the World Trade Centre, laid out strict instructions for his funeral in his will, revealed this week.

The likelihood of any sort of burial of his body is, however, vastly diminished by the difficulties of retrieving remains at the World Trade Centre. Of the more than 5,000 who died there, fewer than 400 bodies have been identified.


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To: Heisenburger
How about pig manure mixed in with that pig fat and left sitting in sun? Use thier bones to make concrete for a pig pen.
121 posted on 10/05/2001 7:06:31 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Pokey78
Why not grind the bodies up to the consistency of pork sausage. Then mix the result with pork on an equal parts basis. Season nicely. Then cook and package in MRE packages. Ship to Afghanistan and drop the stuff as food aid - label it as "victory beef" or some such. Let the locals consume same. Then drop leaflets so they know.

Bon apetite, guys.

122 posted on 10/05/2001 7:06:48 PM PDT by neutrino
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To: ambrose

Hey..

123 posted on 10/05/2001 7:06:51 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: markfiveFF
Why?
124 posted on 10/05/2001 7:10:38 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: markfiveFF
This reminds me of what "good Germans" did to the remains of Jews ca 1940-1945. No, no, no, never

See, the difference is ... the Germans had Jewish remains, because THEY killed them. We have Atta and his scumbag pals' remains, because they died while killing 6000 or so of OUR innocent friends, family and countrymen. I hope that moral distinction wasn't too subtle for you.

125 posted on 10/05/2001 7:12:31 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Pokey78
The bodies right now are evidence in a criminal investigation. The U.S. government will release them when and if they are finished with them. That will be years from now.
126 posted on 10/05/2001 7:12:33 PM PDT by 1L
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To: irish_lad
I'm votin' for that! When we get really upset, we can shout,
Atta' Boy!!!

127 posted on 10/05/2001 7:16:40 PM PDT by bannie
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To: Pokey78
I must confess to having had visions of Bin Laden's body hung from the Brooklyn Bridge, where it would be a permanent sermon on what happens to those who mess with New Yorkers/Americans...

Lots of room up there, though.

128 posted on 10/05/2001 7:20:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet...
Well obviously the remains need to be dumped or cremated in ARKANSAS(Razorbacks, etc.), and mix the remains into the concrete that will form the Clinton Library, so they will be symbolically forever linked.

OK, so that might make it a target, well I guess we all gotta make our own little sacrifices.

129 posted on 10/05/2001 7:24:39 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
This is the best idea I have heard yet.
130 posted on 10/05/2001 7:26:25 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: Diddle E. Squat
YouTookTheWordsRightOughttaMyMouth

Are you scared? :-)

131 posted on 10/05/2001 7:28:17 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Pokey78
Pis_ on them! I'd prefer, however, that they would be alive ......but dead is OK!
132 posted on 10/05/2001 7:28:39 PM PDT by ldish
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To: Pokey78
If they were alive, tried in court and convicted - they would probably go to prison for life -------so send their remains to prison forever.
133 posted on 10/05/2001 7:30:47 PM PDT by Exit148
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To: Pokey78
Luke 9:60
134 posted on 10/05/2001 7:39:11 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: william clark
I love your idea, but why only the women's toilets? Make some uninals and you can use the ashes to recreate an image of them. Then between innings, New yorkers can make a statement while they relieve themselves. gosh, I could put down a few extra beers so that I could add my two pints, er cents worth.
135 posted on 10/05/2001 7:42:23 PM PDT by det dweller too
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To: william clark
How about cremation, followed by mixing their ashes into the porcelain used for special toilets to be installed in the women's restrooms at Yankee Stadium.

Excellent idea! When their ashes are mixed into the porcelain, some Bacon Bits need to be added, too.

136 posted on 10/05/2001 7:42:40 PM PDT by Hillary 666
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To: TADSLOS
Bury 'em in the graveyard of history's abandoned and forgotten lies...

Your suggestion has great merit and should be eventually in a special room under that title in the museum that someday will be erected on site Ground Hero in NYC BUT this mausoleum room can only be entered by women. Remember what Atta Boy said in his will!

137 posted on 10/05/2001 7:51:48 PM PDT by AnnO
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To: Hillary 666
Do what the Israelis did with Adolf Eichmann: scatter their ashes out over the sea outside our territorial waters with NO family present and without ceremony. These butchers should NEVER receive the respect and concern we show for our own dead since they gave no quarter to the people they murdered in cold blood. There's really no ethical question involved in dealing with remains of those who by their conduct have placed themselves beyond the pale of humanity.
138 posted on 10/05/2001 7:53:05 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: william clark
"How about cremation, followed by mixing their ashes into the porcelain used for special toilets to be installed in the women's restrooms at Yankee Stadium. "

Sounds like a plan to me. I'm sold.

139 posted on 10/05/2001 7:53:56 PM PDT by nmh
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To: johnnyjumpstart
Not true Johnny. Several years after the Lincoln assasination, Booth was exumed, examined, and returned to the Booth family.
140 posted on 10/05/2001 7:54:34 PM PDT by M.K. Borders
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