Are The Holy Scriptures written with only well-trained and educated persons as their target audience?
Did the Holy spirit expect those who read the Bible to also have both a dictionary and a Greek-English lexicon and know how to use them?
Posted on 05/24/2024 10:13:08 AM PDT by Drew68
Missouri state Rep. Ben Baker said Friday that his “heart is broken in a thousand pieces” after his daughter and son-in-law were taken hostage then later killed by a gang in Haiti.
Natalie and Davy Lloyd were among a group of missionaries who were ambushed as they left a church on Thursday, the nonprofit Missions in Haiti Inc. wrote on Facebook.
A gang of “3 trucks full of guys” whisked the group away, the nonprofit, which is run by Davy’s parents, David and Alicia Lloyd, wrote in a frantic Facebook post calling for “urgent prayers.”
“Davy was taken to the house tied up and beat. The gang then took our trucks and loaded everything up they wanted and left. Another gang came after to see what was going on and if they could help, so they say. No one understood what they were doing, not sure what took place but one was shot and killed and now this gang went into full attack mode.”
Davy and Natalie tried to use an internet connection to call Davy’s parents, the nonprofit’s post continued. “So they are holed up in there, the gangs has shot all the windows out of the house and continue to shoot,” the post added. “Their lives are in danger. I have been trying all my contacts to get a police armored car there to evacuate them out to safety but can’t get anyone to do. I also am trying to negotiate with the gang so how much $ to stand down and let them leave and get to safety. PLEASE PRAY- Going to be a long night. The phones have all died I can’t get a hold of anybody for the past several hours now to know what was going on.”
However, a follow-up post three hours later said, “Davy and Natalie and Jude were shot and killed by the gang about 9 o’clock this evening.”
Baker wrote on Facebook that he had “never felt this kind of pain.”
Violence has reached fever pitch in Haiti in the weeks since a new prime minister was announced last month, and kidnappings of missionaries and other foreigners are extremely common.
But just two weeks ago, Missions in Haiti said they felt the situation was stabilizing as the U.S. military sent personnel and equipment, and a Kenya-led international force was slated to arrive later in May.
“It may be the worst is behind us now and better days ahead,” the group wrote on Facebook. “We are believing this is the case and Haiti is coming out of this dark time.”
Five days ago, the group said things had calmed down even further. “Gang activity still happening with looting and destruction, but much less then before,” they wrote. “...For the past 2 weeks we have watched US military planes fly over several times a day. They are flying in equipment and supplies for the international force that is coming. It is reported the first 200 troops from Kenya are to land this week. Some gangs are realizing their rule is about to come to an end. 3 gang guys that come to the bakery for bread a couple times a week, I asked them what their plans are. They said ‘run to the Dominican Republic when the fighting starts.’”
I seem to remember a story about a Samaritan that was considered good because he paid the medical bills of another.
I notice that all of the people praising their sacrifice are doing so from NOT HAITI. I wouldn’t dream of deciding for these two people if their mission work was worth dying for. That’s their choice. But everyone on this thread who is praising them certainly hasn’t died for their faith yet, either...
For your purpose, to see how the chapter impacts on the three kinds of life and the three kinds of death, you might take out verse 11; and using a literal, grammatical, syntactical, etymological, contextual, historical, cultural hermeneutic, you might possibly gain more insight as to what it means in terms of developing a greater confidence in Christ;s ability to save to the uttermost; moreso if yor spiritual state gives more discernment than is available from logic alone.
To what primary audience was this epistle addressed?
Were they a;; assumed to be genuinely regenerated in the spiritual realm?
What is the spiritual state of the current reader, and how should he/she react to it?
In verse 11, to what circumstance or event should the word "likewise: refer?
What kind of reckoning is wanted here? Is it a logical process alone, or should one include spiritual intuition from the mind of Christ to supply otherwise hidden truths available from His Word or from other servants having the faculty of discerning that which is good and that which is evil?
Am I steering away from the counsel of the ungodly commenters, or from unrepentant sinners, or from scorners?
Of what state does the adjective "dead" imply -- physical. spiritual, or eternal?
To what state of the target audience does the adjective "alive" imply-- physical, spiritual or eternal? (remember, if the state of living can ever cease, it cannot refer to eternal/everlasting/never-ceasing life.)
etc.
From the tone of the recent comments or replies you have made on mine, it seems to me that you like to read into a scripture a meaning that the context or exegesis does not and cannot support; in fact, either irrelevant or quite the reverse.
For me, in that I regularly rehearse, ruminate, and continuously apply the import to myself and to the interpretation of other Scripture passages, this effort has the effect that I crave for, and that is to draw me closer to the heart of God, my Heavenly Father, and His Son, my Friend and Advisor.
And experiencing it, there is a better ground for sharing the explanation of it to others, which is the duty given me as a steward of that portion of God's estate on Earth to which He has assigned me. One part of that is to assure that one's true spiritual birth is irrevocable and permanent, depending only on the Savior Who does all things well, and its retention does not depend on the recipient at all, no more than one's earthly conception and birth.
And you seem to think that the plain words of scripture that I post have no impact on the subject at hand at all - so I guess we're even.
James seems to come up with some words to kinda dispute this claim:
James
Chapter 1
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Chapter 5
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
I just had a few questions regarding this Post #204 to y Post #203:
-- Why did you select this irrelevant comparison of versions using 2 Cor. 1:13?
-- What point(s) are you hoping to make with this comparison? (I seem to sense that you think there is something wrong with the KJV translation)
-- Should I attach any meaning to the huge font size and bolding of the citation characters?
Should I address the verse or your spin of it?
-- What point(s) are you hoping to make with this comparison? (I seem to sense that you think there is something wrong with the KJV translation)
Apparently 'hitting the spot' was vague. How about, "Who talks like this any more?"
-- Should I attach any meaning to the huge font size and bolding of the citation characters?
No.
I have a mind to say something myself about this verse and its context, now that you have brought it up. A wider selection of BibleGateway samples might help avoid the insinuation of having cherry-picked the verses to suggest that the KJV is at disadvantage for its direct literal unambiguous translation of the Greek of that verse.
If you have an inkling of why in some versions the word "understand" was chosen to replace the words "acknowledge" or "recognize" that have narrower meanings and which were preferred by the translators of several other versions, you might be willing to share your insight on that issue?
Writers who possess a little broader and more elegant grasp of the definitive use of the English language, and expect those who read the Bible to also have both a dictionary and a Greek-English lexicon and know how to use them?
Were The Holy Scriptures written with only idiots as their target audience? Has not The Faith trained heralds of the Gospel with some facility in linguists to bridge the communication gap between cultures?
Sure. You can start out with just answering the question.
Then why do you do it?
How?
None of the verses given in this Post #206 have anything to do about regeneration or about gaining or losing salvation/regeneration in the spirit realm.
I’m a mere publican that has to lean on the smarts of others.
No way am I capable of mindreading from a distance
Are The Holy Scriptures written with only well-trained and educated persons as their target audience?
Did the Holy spirit expect those who read the Bible to also have both a dictionary and a Greek-English lexicon and know how to use them?
It seems to try to limit what my response(s) could be.
Could you restate it in another form?
That was the way it was when DDG gave it to me.
I didn’t know that there might be hidden triggering imbedded in it.
https://www.bibleref.com/2-Corinthians/1/2-Corinthians-1-13.html
Of course, C&P may get all the nuances of the HTML code correct, but FR does NOT implement all the newest, currently approved commands, thus - a reduced version of what was seen here.
Most of it gets ignored by FreeRepublic when submitting a reply...
Who or what is DDG?
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