Take your pick......
CO2 vs Temperature:
Global Temperature Trends From 2500BC to 2040AD: 
Posted on 02/04/2024 8:27:24 AM PST by devane617
Do climate change deniers bend the facts to avoid having to modify their environmentally harmful behavior? Researchers from the University of Bonn and the Institute of Labor Economics (IZA) ran an online experiment involving 4,000 US adults, and found no evidence to support this idea. The authors of the study were themselves surprised by the results. Whether they are good or bad news for the fight against global heating remains to be seen. The study is published in the journal Nature Climate Change.
A surprisingly large number of people still downplay the impact of climate change or deny that it is primarily a product of human activity. But why? One hypothesis is that these misconceptions are rooted in a specific form of self-deception, namely that people simply find it easier to live with their own climate failings if they do not believe that things will actually get all that bad.
"We call this thought process 'motivated reasoning,'" says Professor Florian Zimmermann, an economist at the University of Bonn and Research Director at IZA.
(Excerpt) Read more at phys.org ...
So now they think we need a motive to call Chicken Little on his lies.
What you said.
Prior to 2019, published articles CORRECTLY list water vapor as THE primary greenhouse gas. Now, ‘magically’ there’s nary a mention.
*WHY* would that be???
I believe the answer is yes, and you're doing just fine on your own.
I see you’re a very reasonable guy.
“A surprisingly large number of people still downplay the impact of climate change or deny that it is primarily a product of human activity.”
I do neither. I say Climate Change is real and attempts to “control” it will fail or make it worse.
It’s one thing to speculate about the future using computer models to forecast it, but your models had better be able to accurately calculate known current and past results or else they are obviously unreliable and pointless.
Ecause the wealthy can buy themselves into keeping their same jetsetter lifestyles while the working class pays for it all. The poor will be subsidized.
Keep working and paying taxes so we can redistribute wealth.
The study is published in the journal Nature Climate Change.
Take your pick......
CO2 vs Temperature:
Global Temperature Trends From 2500BC to 2040AD:
The Earth has experienced numerous cycles of climate change. Believable. Geology, ice ages, vast prehistoric lakes in what is now desert, fossil records, etc. support this.
We are in a cycle of climate change now. Believable. It’s happened before, it well could be happening now.
For the first time in the history of the universe, climate change is now caused by human activity. OK, for this you’re going to need proof of a much higher order.
What should the temperature be at any point in time at any point on earth. Totally impossible to know or even calculate.
Problem 2 is...How do I make the temperature on earth what I want to be at any point in time and at any and every point on earth because that's what they're saying they can do.
The climate change fear mongers obligately quash a principal underpinning of true science, that of the scientific method.
True scientists invite criticism from questioners and even deniers. Hypotheses are subsequently tested and refined or rejected.
Globalist con scams disallow criticism, and say bad things about critics.
Nicely, and succinctly stated my FRiend.
If they said that instead of eating lima beans, we had to switch to soy beans...that would be ONE thing. But they are proposing such sweeping changes to our economy, our energy usage, the structure and degree of control by the government, that they are imposing huge costs to the populace. Damn right, we question it. And we have the RIGHT to do so.
People do not trust a cabal of mass murderers to be stewards of the environment.
“We are in a cycle of climate change now.”
We always are, always have been and always will be until the sun goes dormant or dies/explodes etc.
Is that the null hypothesis in this case? I wouldn’t think so, especially the ‘measurable’ bit.
The AGW theory is essentially a sequence of four simple hypotheses (or conjectures, if you prefer).
If you take these in turn, they’re something like this -
- that a present warming trend in mean earth surface temperature exists
- that this trend is of greater amplitude and duration than any previous such event since [state period - the Holocene? the younger Dryas?]
- that none of the known causes of previous such events in that period is sufficient, either separately or in combination, to account for the present event
- that the only new environmental factor, not present in those previous events, is human activity
ERGO etc etc
If you take each of these four in turn, then the null hypothesis for each is immediately apparent. And since if one falls, the whole edifice falls, effectively you have a null hypothesis for the whole. Not so?
The last line was how I feel. I don’t care what “climate scientists” have to say about climate change. Because I KNOW they are NOT scientists in the traditional sense but instead leftist activists trying to push an agenda.
These leftists will actually reveal the truth if you push them the right way. They will eventually reveal and concede that even IF man-made climate change isn’t real we STILL should be doing these things!
When they say that, they reveal their lies and their motivation to lie.
The FACT is: (even if man made climate change were true) that there is NOTHING any of us can do about it as long as China, India and all of the 3rd world are not contributing.
So get back with me “climate scientists” when you get those countries on board, because until you do it just comes off as you are trying to hold us back to let them catch up.
Because they actually take seriously the scientific method as opposed to selling out for grant money from a political movement.
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