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Bakhmut has been encircled trapping nearly 25,000 Ukros and supplies cut off
cairnsnews ^ | 2/2/23 | Editor cairnsnews

Posted on 02/02/2023 6:08:01 PM PST by JonPreston

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To: FreshPrince

Its our party but you can cry if you want to.


61 posted on 02/02/2023 8:12:18 PM PST by MarMema (Orange Putin Bad)
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To: JonPreston

Putin has just been just throwing tens of thousands of men, largely from what he views as his private & expendable Wagner Group, composed 80% of criminal “volunteers” at Bakhmut to achieve some sort of victory there, albeit an apparent Pyrrhic one. Ukraine, realizing how desperate he is for some kind of “victory” is leaving enough forces there for the moment to bleed the Russians, particularly the Wagner Group, dry.

25,000 is very close to the estimate of how many men Russia has lost trying to take Bakhmut over the last 6 months


62 posted on 02/02/2023 8:15:26 PM PST by Cronos
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To: for-q-clinton
If effective means throwing people at the problem while they die until the enemy gets tired of killing them...then yes.

You don't understand how the Russians are fighting this war. They pound pound pound with artillery, then close in with infantry and armor. They don't use human wave tactics. The Russians took a page out of Napolean's book.

63 posted on 02/02/2023 8:18:54 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: delta7

Have to build tanks from scratch? Crimeney sakes. Can’t DC send a surrender flag and get started on our southern border? Cheaper and saves lives.


64 posted on 02/02/2023 8:21:13 PM PST by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: JonPreston

I looked at the map of the battle lines a few days ago and saw nothing strategic.

I’m pretty sure the Russians have a big offensive upcoming but right now I believe it’s totally wasted lives from both sides.


65 posted on 02/02/2023 8:42:22 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: JonPreston

Cairnsnews???? You have to go to an insignificant and mostly unknown Australian site to find some blogger that supposedly has inside information on what is happening in Ukraine that matches you distorted views?

Thank you for again proving the old saying “Garbage in, garbage out”.


66 posted on 02/02/2023 8:47:01 PM PST by Grognard49
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To: Cronos
25,000 is very close to the estimate of how many men Russia has lost trying to take Bakhmut over the last 6 months

The Russians don't care. If they take out 5,000 better trained Ukrainian soldiers, they consider that as a win. Zelensky should have withdrawn from Bakhmut. Trench warfare favors Russia.

67 posted on 02/02/2023 8:53:10 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: JonPreston

Russia isn’t the same country as it was in the mid 20th century. A war of attrition doesn’t work out well with a demographic decline.

Even if the Russians did manage to defeat Ukraine, I doubt they could maintain meaningful control over them even with a puppet government. When Justinian reconquered much of the western Roman Empire in the 500s, he couldn’t hold it for very long. The demographic decline from the plague forced the Byzantines to give up their gains.


68 posted on 02/02/2023 8:54:44 PM PST by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification. )
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To: JonPreston

Say Goodbye Yelensky. People aren’t going to ante up for you any more. You BSed everyone long enough. Hit the road. Go to Paris like your wife and buy some clothes with U.S. money.


69 posted on 02/02/2023 8:59:03 PM PST by taxesareforever (Islam is an ideology. It is NOT a religion.)
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To: delta7

Y’all know by definition a Nazi is a socialist?
Like USA Democrats?


70 posted on 02/02/2023 9:31:40 PM PST by rellic
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To: Gunslingr3

Consensus of opinions in the foreign press says two or three more months.

So, over in May?


71 posted on 02/02/2023 9:46:07 PM PST by miserare ( Impeach Joe Biden!)
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To: UNGN

The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

That’s news to me.

🤣😹😜🦄🎅😎🇺🇸


72 posted on 02/02/2023 9:52:01 PM PST by miserare ( Impeach Joe Biden!)
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To: jerod

“This should only take a day or two...” - Vladimir Putin to his generals February 24th, 2022.

That is not an actual quote. You just made it up.


73 posted on 02/02/2023 10:59:56 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: MinorityRepublican

So Ukraine needs to build nuclear weapons if they want to keep their rump state.

They start that project, and they’ll get instantly attacked. No way Russia is gonna let the Banderists build a nuke right next door.


74 posted on 02/02/2023 11:04:09 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: JonPreston
In the meantime, Kim Jong-un officially stated that “North Korea will always stand together on the same battle field as Russia”.

With friends like that...

Regards,

75 posted on 02/02/2023 11:09:47 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: DesertRhino

Yeah... Doh! I was ‘paraphrasing’.

Putin promised a quick capitulation by the west and the Ukraine... It didn’t happen. It will soon be all over though... For him.

Victory has a thousand fathers and defeat is an orphan, and Putin is that orphan.


76 posted on 02/02/2023 11:24:10 PM PST by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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To: JonPreston

Bakhmut unimportant anyhow you know

/s


77 posted on 02/02/2023 11:46:50 PM PST by wardaddy (Truth is treason in the Empire of liars)
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To: JonPreston

Good article, matches what my sources have been saying.

As the Neocon supporters continue to claim otherwise, it reminds me of Lawrence Yun, Chief Economist for the National Association of Realtors, who in the run-up to the 2008 housing crash kept claiming that there nothing to worry about, all would be fine.

After the crash they asked him how he could be so wrong - he essentially said: “Look who was paying me”.

By the way, he did such a ‘great job’ back then that they’ve re-hired him into the same job.


78 posted on 02/03/2023 12:02:54 AM PST by BobL
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Most likely a cease fire. Russia will keep their occupied territories in the East and the South. Possibly another war a couple years later. So Ukraine needs to build nuclear weapons if they want to keep their rump state.”

Obviously Russia won’t let that happen, so the war ends in one of two ways - either a regime change in Kiev, with a Russia-friendly government stepping in, or full liberation and occupation of Ukraine.


79 posted on 02/03/2023 12:15:45 AM PST by BobL
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To: rellic

Anybody that believes a word of this obvious Russian propoganda piece is a gullible, pie-eyed idiot.

Of course the same people would explain away Ukrainians hanging from lamp posts after the Russians took over as a “ wave of mass suicides” or some such foolishness.


80 posted on 02/03/2023 12:42:06 AM PST by Frank_Symptoms
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