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Las Vegas firearms instructor charged with murder after attempted carjacking
8 News Now ^ | April 5, 2022 | David Charns

Posted on 04/06/2022 7:55:12 AM PDT by The people have spoken

LAS VEGAS (KLAS) — A firearms instructor is charged with murder in the death of a man who was attempting to steal his car on Super Bowl weekend, court documents said.

Police issued a warrant for Carlos Viana, 34, who is described in police documents as a firearms instructor, in February. He was booked into jail on Monday and posted bail, records said.

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While speaking with detectives, Viana said the man drove the car at him, prompting him to think, “I needed to do something to stop this guy from proceeding, driving off into the street. And then I will try and stop him,” police wrote.

Viana discharged his weapon about 3-4 feet from the vehicle, police said.

“When Viana discharged his handgun, he was standing on the driver’s side of the vehicle, not in front of the vehicle,” police said. “Viana fired his handgun twice towards the vehicle, hitting the driver’s door window.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; carjacking; crime; nevada
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To: KevinB
"It's never okay to use deadly force to defend personal property."

Here in Texas it sure as hell is.

41 posted on 04/06/2022 11:26:57 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: KevinB
It's never okay to use deadly force to defend personal property.

I have heard said that if I kill someone for stealing my property I must value my things more than their life.

I say if he is willing to get killed for my personal property he valued my stuff more than he did his life!

I spent YEARS away from my wife and four daughters to purchase the cars, TVs, game consoles, computers, house, lawnmowers, tractors, etc...which I own...I will be damned if this low-life will force me to work years away again to replace them!

HE HAS NO RIGHT TO DO THIS TO ME NOR MY FAMILY!
42 posted on 04/06/2022 11:27:02 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Diversity is necessary; diverse points of views will not be tolerated.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Yes, big improvement.


43 posted on 04/06/2022 12:12:55 PM PDT by The people have spoken (Proud member of Hillary's basket of deplorables)
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To: ExTxMarine

I sympathize, and feel the same that stealing property from a working person is stealing his life in part, but if you get to chase down and kill somebody because he stole your lawnmower that took maybe a month to clear enough cash to buy, can a Bernie Madoff client who lost his entire life’s retirement savings of millions of dollars chase him down and kill him? What’s the difference?

And how much of your life ( property value expressed in what time you take to clear it) on the low end? Ten seconds? Ten hours? Ten days?


44 posted on 04/06/2022 4:10:14 PM PDT by takebackaustin
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To: KevinB

Well, that depends on specific state law.

Stopping the theft of a class 3 weapon and firearms/ ammunition in general sounds pretty reasonable.

Maybe trying to stop the vehicle by gunfire, but if the thief drove towards and then past the man, I’d be looking for a reasonable belief that the thief was a lethal threat. I don’t think one has to be continually at risk to meet the three legged lethal force equation.

We shall see.

My state doesn’t provide for such lethal force protection of property.


45 posted on 04/06/2022 4:35:30 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" )
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To: takebackaustin
What’s the difference?

This is as different as burglary is from robbery!

Sure, in both cases something is lost due to someone taking it, but the reality is one is a personal, often threatening, direct interaction with the owner and the other is a non-personal, typically non-threatening, indirect taking of property.

I appreciate your sympathy, but I think the difference is quite clear.
46 posted on 04/12/2022 6:23:07 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Diversity is necessary; diverse points of views will not be tolerated.)
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To: ExTxMarine

Exactly. Your rant that I replied to, explaining your take on what justifies lethal force, didn’t touch on the circumstances. It bases lethal force on the value of the hours of life you sacrificed to earn what was lost, implying that we are talking about life for life, an eye for an eye. I sympathize with that but cant use that reasoning to come up with a just system. The amount of life you lost could be zero. The entire justification is the circumstances. Maybe you forgot what you wrote and didn’t write, and expect people to read your mind.


47 posted on 04/12/2022 11:18:46 AM PDT by takebackaustin
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To: takebackaustin

No, I know exactly what I wrote. My time is too precious to allow someone else to steal it (by taking my things) and if I am there when you are taking them (as is the situation upon which my statement was based) then I will and do have the right to make the situation “just.”

Mind reading is not necessary; however, the basic association of the article upon which my statement was made would show the difference between robbery and theft. I pointed that out and you got upset - too bad.


48 posted on 04/12/2022 11:29:10 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Diversity is necessary; diverse points of views will not be tolerated.)
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