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Illinois FOID reformed, Under Supreme Court Scrutiny
AmmoLand ^ | March 23, 2022 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 03/25/2022 5:20:29 AM PDT by marktwain

The Illinois Firearms Owner Identification (FOID) requirement came in with the enormous gun control push done by Democrats in 1968, during the Johnson administration.

In 2017, an Illinois state judge, T. Scott Webb, of White County, found the FOID unconstitutional. The case made it to the Illinois Supreme Court, where it was sent back to the District Court for clarification.

In 2021, it was found to be unconstitutional again and has again made its way back to the Illinois Supreme court. From the decision, Case 17-CM-60, 26 April 2021:

“A citizen in the State of Illinois is not born with a Second Amendment right. Nor does that right insure when a citizen turns 18 or 21 years of age. It is a façade. They only gain that right if they pay a $10 fee, complete the proper application, and submit a photograph. If the right to bear arms and self-defense are truly core rights, there should be no burden on the citizenry to enjoy those rights, especially within the confines and privacy of their own homes. Accordingly, if a person does something themselves from being able to exercise being able to exercise that right, like being convicted of a felony or demonstrating mental illness, then and only then may the right be stripped from them.”

What the Illinois Supreme Court will decide is uncertain. It appears they do not want this case. From daily-journal.com:

SPRINGFIELD – The Illinois Supreme Court is being asked for a second time to decide whether a state law requiring gun owners to have a firearm permit is unconstitutional – a question the court previously declined to answer.

The case involves a White County resident, Vivian Claudine Brown, who was charged in March 2017 with possession of a firearm without a


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; foid; il; supremecourt
The Illinois Supreme Court may decide whether the Firearms Owner IDentification system is allowed under the Second Amendment.
1 posted on 03/25/2022 5:20:29 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I'm sure as hell no Constitutional scholar but I have a pretty fair understanding of the English language. And IMO the words “shall not be infringed” are very difficult to misinterpret. I can't understand how my state (and others) can so blatantly be allowed to infringe upon my 2nd Amendment rights to much as to make it just about impossible to exercise them.
2 posted on 03/25/2022 5:26:22 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Balloting)
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To: Gay State Conservative
to infringe upon my God given right as codified by the 2nd Amendment

Just being picky. ;o)

3 posted on 03/25/2022 5:34:33 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting.)
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To: marktwain
If law officers and bureaucrats paid a personal price for enforcement of unconstitutional laws, there would never be stupidity like FOID cards.

Why are the apparatchiks never held accountable?
4 posted on 03/25/2022 5:38:55 AM PDT by farming pharmer (fork you :(){ :|:& };:)
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To: super7man

“God given right”

See...that’s the problem. Half the country does not believe in God. At the very least...they believe in a god that supports the ritualistic slaughter of unborn innocents.


5 posted on 03/25/2022 5:41:38 AM PDT by moovova
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To: marktwain

That needs to go to the US Supreme Court. That is a blatant violation of Americans’ constitutional rights.

What other constitutional right do you have to pay a fee for and ask the state for a permission slip for in order to exercise? Licenses are for privileges. Keeping and Bearing arms is a right.


6 posted on 03/25/2022 6:09:18 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird

“That needs to go to the US Supreme Court. That is a blatant violation of Americans’ constitutional rights.

What other constitutional right do you have to pay a fee for and ask the state for a permission slip for in order to exercise? Licenses are for privileges. Keeping and Bearing arms is a right.”

Well said.


7 posted on 03/25/2022 6:18:33 AM PDT by Democrat = party of treason
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To: marktwain

As a resident of Connecticut I have to pay hundreds of dollars and wait months for a permit before I can so much as buy a box of .22 ammo.


8 posted on 03/25/2022 7:35:47 AM PDT by CtBigPat (The time of Crisis is ending. Now comes Normalization.)
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To: CtBigPat

What?!? That’s outrageous.


9 posted on 03/25/2022 7:37:07 AM PDT by stevio
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To: moovova

“At the very least...they believe in a god that supports the ritualistic slaughter of unborn innocents.”

Yes, but that slaughter is encouraged because selling those baby parts can be very profitable. /s


10 posted on 03/25/2022 7:55:00 AM PDT by Let's Roll ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality" -- Ayn Rand)
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To: stevio

Tell me about it. I used to live in New Hampshire. I came back because my family is here.


11 posted on 03/25/2022 8:08:40 AM PDT by CtBigPat (The time of Crisis is ending. Now comes Normalization.)
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To: Let's Roll

Too painful to even think about. 😥


12 posted on 03/25/2022 8:09:06 AM PDT by moovova
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To: moovova

“God given right” See...that’s the problem. Half the country does not believe in God.


The Founders called these rights God-given or ‘natural’ rights. If one doesn’t believe in God, the rights still exist because they are natural. A rabbit being attacked has a natural right to defend itself. So do humans.

As an aside, I live two miles from Illinois (as the crow flies). As a citizen of Missouri I have more gun rights in Illinois than residents of that state. I can buy ammunition and long guns in Illinois without a FOID card, they cannot.


13 posted on 03/25/2022 8:09:57 AM PDT by hanamizu
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“I can buy ammunition and long guns in Illinois without a FOID card, they cannot.”

That’s pretty incredible.


14 posted on 03/25/2022 8:42:21 AM PDT by moovova
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"Half the country does not believe in God."

That may be true, but that half's personal beliefs are irrelevant. Laws apply to them regardless if they agree with it or on what basis it is written.

15 posted on 03/25/2022 9:18:45 AM PDT by moehoward (.)
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To: FLT-bird

You don’t understand-this is Illinois we’re talking about.
I’ve had an FOID card for 50 yrs now. Yes, it’s 🐂💩.
Always has been.
The Illinois Supreme Court better take this on instead of treat like a hot potato.
They’re no different than the politicians in this state, nobody wants to deal with it. Not only that, it’s about revenue as well. They have been talking about combining the FOID and CCL into one entity. If they do that, the fee for CCL will likely go even higher.
Last year our postage stamp sized vehicle sticker that goes on our license plates cost $101. This year it’s $151. Damn them…


16 posted on 03/25/2022 10:07:26 AM PDT by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: hanamizu

You have to pay a transfer fee, I’ll bet.


17 posted on 03/25/2022 10:09:44 AM PDT by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: telescope115

You have to pay a transfer fee, I’ll bet.


I have not bought a firearm out of state, so I have no personal knowledge as to how this works, but as I understand it, long arms can be sold to out of state residents if the state’s laws allow it. No need to transfer the sale my home state. Private sales may require dealing with a dealer and fees. Handguns are a whole different matter.


18 posted on 03/25/2022 11:56:01 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: marktwain

Poll taxes and taxes to exercise 2nd Amendment rights differ how?

An argument can be made that taxing the purchase of guns and ammunition is the imposition of a wealth standard in order to exercise a franchise (i.e. Constitutional right). No different that what poll taxes were.


19 posted on 03/25/2022 12:27:59 PM PDT by WASCWatch ( WASC)
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