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But, on the other hand, reality is reality. Western leaders helped create this mess. Many books need to be written. But no matter how much America First conservatives may hate it, the facts are that we are in a mess. We should either cease and desist and let Russian invaders take over Ukraine quickly and easily with a minimum of loss of life...or take genuine action.

Here is what the USA should do:

1) The USA should demand a vote within NATO that Ukraine will never join. Historically, Russia and Ukraine were the same country for 1,100 years. NATO membership was always a deliberate, insane provocation motivated by hatred for Russia.

2) Ukraine is a sovereign country despite being part of Russia since 917 A.D. International ships have a right to dock, refuel, visit, and enjoy shore leave in the port of Odessa if allowed by the government of Ukraine. The U.S. Navy should respond to an invitation to dock in the port of Odessa, refuel, resupply, and let sailors enjoy shore leave, of course armed for their own protection. Every ship internationally has that right to dock at a port if invited by the country owning that port. Putin cannot fire in the direction of U.S. naval vessels. And the ships have an international maritime right to dock there.

But, you will say, this is a risk. Yes. Like JFK, it needs to be handled extremely carefully. It must be done with transparent advance warning and open lines of communication. (Can Slow Joe handle that? No.)

1 posted on 03/13/2022 6:02:40 AM PDT by Moseley
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To: Moseley
Can Slow Joe handle that? No

This is why nothing can be done until new leadership arrives. So your suggestions are moot.

2 posted on 03/13/2022 6:07:41 AM PDT by frogjerk (I will not do business with fascists)
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“Ukraine is a sovereign country despite being part of Russia since 917 A.D.”

Then, like every sovereign nation, that country has a right to plot its own course in the world. If that course includes them wanting to be a part of NATO, then so be it. Let them apply. That doesn’t mean another sovereign nation has to stay in NATO either. They also have a right to exist, and not be invaded.


3 posted on 03/13/2022 6:07:41 AM PDT by USAF1985 (Joe McCarthy is a hero...he was absolutely, 100% correct! (Let’s go Brandon!))
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I think the account of the Cuban Missle Crisis as presented here is crap. We knew the Soviets only had a few hundred nukes and they knew we had thousands. They were bluffing and we knew they were bluffing. They were never going to push any buttons.


6 posted on 03/13/2022 6:17:31 AM PDT by BiglyCommentary
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I notice that NATO, itself, is off the table. Perhaps the point of the entire exercise.

NATO should have been rethought. The former East Germany is in NATO “defending” other NATO countries with a leaking stockpile of GDR missiles that have dead Soviet batteries in them.

Perhaps Trump would have rectified this if not hit by the Swamp with the phony Steele Dossier. Trump seems to be a fan of reciprocal trade. Germany and other European nations probably should be trading with Russia instead of trying to enter an expanding NATO.

Now, the Swamp is safe, and the rest of us are not.


8 posted on 03/13/2022 6:21:12 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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The Russians have revealed themselves as indiscriminately cruel and brutal. Rocketing and shelling apartment buildings, schools, hospitals, and stores makes no strategic military sense.

Putin — and those tools who obey him — needs a bullet in the back of the head.

I hope ONE Russian, SOMEwhere takes him out.

Yes, yes, he might be replaced by someone even worse, AND vengeance belongs to God — I know that, but I’ll be willing to take that chance. SOMEbody, PLEASE take him OUT - NOW!!

If I EVER gave Russians credit for being a modern, civilized people, I never will again


9 posted on 03/13/2022 6:25:01 AM PDT by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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Ukraine is the progs new Covid, but this time it just kills Ukrainians. Using Russia to administer the vacine.
11 posted on 03/13/2022 7:10:18 AM PDT by Badboo (You know in your bones America is dying. The Uniparty isn't going to stop ‘till the carcass rots)
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“In 1962, President John F. Kennedy cautiously but brilliantly managed the United States — nay, the world — through the Cuban Missile Crisis…”

YGTBFKM.

Kennedy nearly blundered us into a nuclear war. He was utterly incompetent. One need read no further than this stupid statement. Everything that follows is suspect.

L


14 posted on 03/13/2022 7:17:22 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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In 1962, President John F. Kennedy cautiously but brilliantly managed the United States — nay, the world — through the Cuban Missile Crisis on the brink of a nuclear World War III.

Ah, he agreed to Khrushchev's offer to remove Russian missile from Cuba if we would agree to remove our missiles from Turkey. I'm not sure I'd call that brilliant.

24 posted on 03/13/2022 8:15:38 AM PDT by libertylover (Our BIGGEST problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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