Doesn't that constitute a surrender?
Europe run by liberals; same thing here except they’re closer.
Subtitute the word ‘Cowardly’ for ‘Painful’.
Showing strength and resolve is not always going to be pain free or without inconveniance.
Ukraine is not NATO. That said, we did agree to protect Ukraine in exchange for their giving up the nuclear weapons they acquired at the fall of the USSR
No, its an admission that Ukraine's so-called "sovereignty" was really a fraud, and that NATO and the US deep state were just using them to poke and prod Russia.
It was known all along that Russia would not accept a former long-time possession, former soviet state and its neighbor being a NATO member, so Ukrainians were just cannon-fodder in a bigger scheme to keep Germany on the NATO plantation, control energy flows in Europe, poke Russia in the eye, and even embarrass Trump.
If you’re going to help then help, it’s a war and Putin will only respect the risk of a military disaster. But unlike Putin, western nations are very war averse.
I’m not convinced that Ukraine can save itself without some direct military intervention from other nations. But they are, thus far, holding out better than expected with some armament aid. The NATO powers do have tools to cripple Russia if they had the balls to use them.
That said, I am beginning to suspect Russia is having some problems we don’t fully understand. I won’t rely too heavily on the media accounts or heroics. But I can confidently say, this is not how Russia planned the invasion. They have hundreds of military aircraft in theater that have not left the ground. They have supply lines and heavy armor stalled and sitting. They are engaged in skirmishes with small arms fire everywhere. I am starting to suspect that Russia might have problems that are more than flat tires and old equipment.
If Russia doesn’t take Ukraine, somehow, or it takes a prolonged efforts with mass casualties, we will better understand what military capability Russia actually has. Has the world over estimated their capabilities?
We should ask our ET buddies to step in and F with the Ruskies for us.
Perhaps they’re hungry ?
Bon appetit
Trump: "There should be no war waging now in Ukraine, and it is terrible for humanity that Biden, NATO, and the West have failed so terribly "
Where’s NATO’s complaint about Russia enforcing a ‘no-fly’ zone over international waters in the Black Sea? Hmmm?
DannyTN, Kevmo, and SoCal Pubbie hardest hit.
“Doesn’t that constitute a surrender?”
No, it constitutes NATO is wising up. The Ukraine can’t win the war if Putin decides to level the place. Leveling the capital city is not going to do anyone any good especially when Putin is after the oil and natural gas. Putin can make miserable for Europe and us with withdrawing the exports they have. They are backed by China who is assisting them with wheat purchases, basically, to provide operation funds. And NATO can’t do anything to Putin he can’t do to them because of it. Sometimes it’s better to cut your losses and withdraw.
wy69
I’ve always thought it weird how Americans will be tearing their hair out about danger on Europe’s doorstep while Europe sits on its butt singing “Imagine”.
I think NATO made the right choice at this point.
I also think that come three years from now, a lot of folks are
going to look back on this point in time, and be mortified who
they decided to back in this situation.
I oppose Putin’s invasion. So maybe I’ll be the one. We’ll see
won’t we.
I’m not a fanboy of the Ukraine’s leader. I am a supporter
of national borders. The Ukraine was invaded without real
cause or threat.
Deal with that however you want folks. Just deny what is
going on is going on.
Isn't anyone assuming that his air forces aren't in any better shape than his ground forces?
-PJ
But sooner or later Russia will start threatening NATO members shipping weapons to Ukraine or being used as transits like Poland.
Plus I don't know how much longer Poland can sit by and absorb refugees. They are at almost 2% of the Polish population by now counting those from 2014.
My guess is a rump Ukrainian state will be formed with Poland along what were Poland's 1939 borders in the East.
If the Ukrainians accept it, Poland could just announce union with western Ukraine and Shazzam! they're in NATO.
The Biden junta has all this about as under control as anything else these idiots are doing, and pressures may develop along the eastern flank of NATO that force the member states there to drag NATO in for their own interests.
The same is true regarding Romania and Moldova should Putler decide Moldova is next.
Yes. Unless NATO commits to military intervention Russia has won. This is not pro- or anit-Putin. The situation now is that this is a fact.
The U.S. and Western Europe did not take the Russian position opposing Ukraine joining NATO seriously. There was no plan in place to prevent or a Russian invasion. It is too late to for the west to achieve anything now, because their best and only option was to prevent a invasion.
In a few weeks Putin will take the entire country or what he wants and negotiates over the rest.
Bkmk
They knew they were going to sacrifice Ukraine.......and let Putin destroy half the country so nobody would want it.