Posted on 12/04/2021 5:22:08 AM PST by Kaslin
As has been the case with so many other school shootings over several years, last week's murder spree at Oakland High School in suburban Detroit might have been avoided if actions had been taken in the face of several obvious warning signs.
Ethan Crumbley, 15, is charged with murdering four of his fellow students and wounding with intent to kill seven others. He has also been charged with terrorism.
There were a series of signs leading up to this tragedy -- as there usually are -- that should have alerted people that Crumbley was a serious threat.
He had displayed disciplinary problems for some time. On the day of the shooting, he was summoned to the school office after misbehaving. His parents were also called in, an indication that officials were taking this latest incident more seriously than previous ones.
Oakland prosecutor Karen McDonald told CNN there is a "strong possibility" Crumbley had the gun used in the killings in his backpack when he met with school officials and his parents. Did no one think it unusual, if not suspicious, that Crumbley would bring the backpack with him, instead of leaving it in his locker or the classroom? Why didn't someone ask him to open the backpack and check its contents?
Crumbley's parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, have been charged with four counts each of homicide and involuntary manslaughter. James Crumbley reportedly bought the gun Ethan is charged with using in the murders and gave it to his son. Why would a father do that and why was the weapon not properly secured so it could not be taken anywhere without parental notice, permission and supervision, especially to school? Did Ethan ask his father to purchase the gun for him? What reason did he give? Did James Crumbley ask him? Why would a father give a gun to a son with a record of disciplinary problems?
In a bizarre twist, the Daily Mail reported Jennifer Crumbley wrote then president-elect Donald Trump in November 2016, thanking him for his support of the right to bear arms and describing her son's struggles in school. She added that as a realtor she is grateful for the right to carry a gun because it "(allows) me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions."
In a search of Ethan Crumbley's cellphone, police found detailed descriptions of his wish to kill classmates. They say he also had a journal and in at least one social media post expressed elation that he had access to a handgun purchased by his father. Did no one else -- classmates, administrators or parents -- see or know about any of this? If they did, why was it not reported to authorities? How many times must we hear "if you see something, say something" before someone says something? Why must we always wonder after the fact why no one spoke up?
At his arraignment, Crumbley's lawyer entered a not guilty plea. Ethan is said not to be talking to investigators.
It is a sad commentary on the times in which we live that police officers are increasingly present outside and inside some schools and even churches. Will metal detectors be next? No parent should have to worry that sending their child off to school in the morning might be the last time they see them alive.
What happened at Oxford High School was pure evil, but evil can be resisted and overcome if people are pro-active in their thinking. It's sad to think in these terms, but potentially much sadder and intolerable if we don't.
Hoax? Yes.
The enemies of freedom feel no guilt from telling the Big Lie!
The truth destroys them, so they must lie.
If they told “the truth”, no one would ever elect them.
When I was in High School, nobody carried a backpack. (that was long long ago)
But back then it was very common to see a gun rack in the window behind the pickup seat. With a rifle and a shotgun. I don’t remember them being stolen or misused.
But back then, nobody ever locked the door to their house.
Long Long Ago.
Why would I lust for Ann Coulter, or any other woman? I am a woman myself, at last I was the last time I checked.
You are a hoot.
A Real Story:
My father was born in 1925, when he was 3 years old he was given a trap door Springfield 1873 45-70 rifle (33” barrel) by his grandfather. Every time he went to visit his grandfather (Spanish American War vet) he would retrieve it from behind a door and drag it through the house. He told my father’s mother, If you don’t object, Mildred, when you go home would you take that rifle with you for your son. He is the only person in the family that thinks anything about it.
When I was young my father (WWII vet) had it mounted over the fireplace with the bayonet fixed. He died in March at 95. He specifically left it to me in his will.
https://blog.gritrsports.com/the-us-springfield-1873-4570-trapdoor-rifle/
https://dygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net/i/8027/9513710_1.jpg?v=8CCCA3CDCD08960
Some of the best kind.
I bought my own first pistol when I was 16, from a retail store across state lines. My father was with me.
It depends on the state.
Most states it is not illegal for a minor to own a handgun, but it is illegal for them to carry outside the home or family property. There are often other exceptions.
There are legal differences between ownership, possession, and carrying, and where carrying.
True...
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
I am trying to confirm this.
No luck so far.
Any help would be appreciated.
When I was in high school, most of the boys brought rifles to school once deer season started.
Many schools constantly tell white boys they are evil incarnate because of their skin color and their penis. Why are they surprised when the boys act accordingly?
That’s an excellent point.
The first line is, “I went into a public ‘ouse to buy a pint o’ beer.”
Pretty sure you’re going to run into Fed law issues...
It’s and old WaPo article, but still, there is at least a link to the “exceptions”:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/27/in-30-states-a-child-can-still-legally-own-a-rife-or-shotgun/
Minimum Age for Gun Possession: Subject to limited exceptions*, federal law prohibits the possession of a handgun or handgun ammunition by any person under the age of 18.15,16 Federal law provides no minimum age for the possession of long guns or long gun ammunition.
*Exceptions: Federal law provides exceptions for the temporary transfer and possession of handguns and handgun ammunition for specified activities, including employment, ranching, farming, target practice and hunting.
I keep finding the same info on several sources (another would be findlaw).
You are correct as to Federal law on possession of handguns for those under the age of 18.
But minors may own something without possessing it. Parents normally are considered to be possessing guns in the home, including handguns, even if they are owned by minors.
As a common example, a minor may be gifted a handgun as part of an estate, but does not gain possession until they are 18.
My father told me that “Tommy” would fight. (From his WWII experience)
He did not have much respect for their leaders. He despised Charles De Gaulle. Arrogant, smug, not a great leader as portrayed.
As a young man, I met the son of one of the “Black Feet” French from Algers. When we picked him up at Love Field in Dallas and I was driving out, he asked my father if he liked De Gaulle. My father said no, thought he was arrogant. The young man’s response was “Good”. Later over dinner he told us why he felt that way.
My bad posting skills revealed!
OK, so a distinction, with a difference (a technicality regarding the term “own” in my initial statement).
I understand the point, though in a lot of cases own and possess are not mutually exclusive terms. It can be nuanced and certainly can be construed by law enforcement as a distinction without a difference though and would need to be clearly defined and controlled how transfer actually occurs.
Oxford High School not Oakland High School
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