Posted on 07/19/2021 7:36:51 AM PDT by Red Badger
These are the same folks who killed thousands by putting them on ventilators. To them the result is not important so long as the procedures in the book or those politically decreed are followed.
Blah, blah, blah, and frickin’ blah!
“triggering a massive wave of use for the drug across the globe.’
“caused thousands if not millions of people to get ivermectin to treat and/or prevent COVID-19.”
Well???? Did it WORK or not?
Who gives two shites about your stupid pee-er reviews. You have a “massive wave” of “thousands if not millions” of people who took Ivermectin for COVID. Did it work for them?
STUDY THAT! Then get back to me.
“There are hundreds of actual peer reviewed studies now on both Ivermectin and Hydroxycloroquin that prove both are effective. Along with hundreds of doctors and entire countries like India that have used both drugs successfully.”
I agree, this is a story meant to frighten the weak minded into taking the vax.
agreed
Viagra works by opening up blood vessels to reduce pressure.
Which also makes certain things happen easier (PG statement!)
A lot of blood pressure meds have the same action, but that little purple pill did it better.
My point is Ivermectin is an anti parasitic drug. A great one.
But what is the method of action for treating a viral infection with Ivermectin? See with Viagra, a blood pressure med have a side effect of putting lead in the pencil was known. It just did it better than the rest of the meds. It arose, so to speak, during the trials. With Ivermectin I still haven’t heard a plausible explanation of why it works. It is pretty safe so using it as a “Throw anything at it!” is OK IMO, but since even the proponents can’t say why it works, or prove that it does (sorry Joe Rogan), I am skeptical.
And horse paste tastes horrible (tried it as a kid since the horses liked).
And I have seen the opposite.
Data analysis is hard.
I have a request. A freeper tried Ivermectin and is in the ICU.
Please pray for them.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3974843/posts?q=1&;page=1
This story is deadly propaganda from the Fauci wing of bad science. It should have a “barf” tag after the title.
Dayum!
Coronavirus PING!
So, you’re saying take Viagra along with Ivermectin? And Vitamin D and Zinc.
LOL
Well... If you REALLY want to. Not sure what that would do.
Just saying that no one can say why Ivermectin would work, unlike Viagra.
Vit D and zinc has some clear benefits, but you can OD on both.
Hydroxychloroquine works because it is a zinc ionophore, which changes the charge of zinc ions to get them into the cells more easily; the zinc strongly inhibits reproduction of ALL viruses.
I don’t know why ivermectin works, just that it does from many reports that I have read and heard about from others.
There are bad apples in every walk of life. Perhaps even more in science and medicine as they’re required to present research for tenure, money and fame.
I read somewhere that PHD Theses never even get read......................
https://ivmmeta.com/ is the meta-analysis, which already REMOVED the study in your article.
Even after removing that work, the meta-analysis shows "The probability that an ineffective treatment generated results as positive as the 60 studies to date is estimated to be 1 in 193 billion (p = 0.0000000000052)."
Of more importance, is the "withdrawn" study.
It's funny how your article doesn't trace its provenance.
According to an article in The GuardianL on the withdrawn study,
“Thousands of highly educated scientists, doctors, pharmacists, and at least four major medicines regulators missed a fraud so apparent that it might as well have come with a flashing neon sign. That this all happened amid an ongoing global health crisis of epic proportions is all the more terrifying.”
This whole thing sounds like a set-up or hit job on Ivermectin.
Nothing is 100%. I rely on vitamin D. My whole family of 8, including son-in-law, got CCPV in February-March last year. All of us except SIL took massive(by formula) doses of D3. SIL refuses to do anything his doctor does not tell him to do. He got pretty sick. The rest of us were done with it in two days.
Please see posts #16 and #34 this thread for positive results with Ivermectin.
And if you were honest, which you’re not, you’d have noted they didn’t start off with a 5 day regimen as suggested by some on the thread; they took it on days 1 and 3 and then waited until day 6 to contact FR.
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
John P. A. Ioannidis
A recent editorial in the British Medical Journal argued that it might be time to change our basic perspective on health research, and assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise.
That is to say, not to assume that all researchers are dishonest, but to begin the receipt of new information in health research from a categorically different baseline level of skepticism as opposed to blind trust.
This might sound extreme, but if the alternative is accepting that occasionally millions of people will receive medications based on unvetted research that is later withdrawn entirely, it may actually be a very small price to pay.
Why Most Published Research Findings Are False
John P. A. Ioannidis
Summary:
There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false. The probability that a research claim is true may depend on study power and bias, the number of other studies on the same question, and, importantly, the ratio of true to no relationships among the relationships probed in each scientific field.
In this framework, a research finding is less likely to be true when the studies conducted in a field are smaller; when effect sizes are smaller; when there is a greater number and lesser preselection of tested relationships; where there is greater flexibility in designs, definitions, outcomes, and analytical modes; when there is greater financial and other interest and prejudice; and when more teams are involved in a scientific field in chase of statistical significance.
Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true.
Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias.
In this essay, I discuss the implications of these problems for the conduct and interpretation of research.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/
OK, that particular thread is irrelevant to the demonstrably false claim made in the posted article, to which my comment was directed, but let’s go look at that and see if we can glean any knowledge.
On that thread, a FReeper posted that he had been diagnosed with COVID and were “very sick”. In the initial post, one might surmise that they tried initially to self medicate, presumably with a low dose of IVM and maybe some other stuff, but note, they were already “very sick”. And quickly, they are urged to go to the doc and get an approved monoclonal antibody, which is denied because of the FDA’s stringent rules that have been much bemoaned here, because they (there are two people being discussed) were already mildly hypoxic. That’s the money quote in that thread: they tried to get one of the “—mab”s, and were turned down because of FDA rules.
But that has nothing at all to do with this mendacious, nay libelous screed that attempts to conflate a proven case of academic fraud with an as-yet unproven allegation of fraud in a single study, and then slyly cast aspersions on the actual basis for serious consideration of IVM and other re-purposed drugs for the treatment of COVID.
The case for this particular re-purposed drug, ivermectin, is based on the three meta-analyses that I referenced earlier, not a single study.
Also he’s being refused treatment. Which is how two people I know died from covid. I was pretty stunned there was no intervention, just put on a vent to die.
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