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To: LilFarmer

Any fraud that can be proven should be taken to the courts of course. As of this point we don’t know if Georgia will be close enough for a handful of votes to matter. But with Pennsylvania being lost also, Georgia won’t matter.

The voting laws and process itself should be changed wherever Republicans can do it to prevent fraud. Vote-by-mail should not be allowed except for rare exceptions. I believe voting machines are much more reliable than paper ballots. I believe it was the Democrats who sued to end machines and change us to paper ballots in Pennsylvania a couple years ago, and they probably did it for a reason. Mail-in voting goes beyond fraud, it completely and totally changes the nature of an election in many ways, and makes it far less reliable as a democratic process.

I believe there’s fraud of course, but I don’t know how much. If we can’t prove that there’s enough to change the result of the election, then there shouldn’t be much more time spent claiming that the election was stolen. The public will not believe it and will think the Trump camp are sore losers or conspiracy nuts.


9,740 posted on 11/05/2020 9:39:06 PM PST by JediJones (We must deport all liberals until we can figure out what the hell is going on.)
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To: JediJones
I believe there’s fraud of course, but I don’t know how much.

Aren't you CURIOUS just how much fraud there is?

Anyone against transparency is doing something wrong. All human beings know this, the good ones and the bad ones.

9,741 posted on 11/05/2020 9:46:48 PM PST by KJC1 (A vote for Biden-Harris is a vote for Antifa-BLM)
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To: JediJones

I will give you an example. Election night, Trump was up 300,000 votes. That was with approximately 89% of the bluest counties in GA having reported. That night, the counting supposedly stopped at 10pm, except they didn’t. GOP observers were sent home. Ballots continued to be “counted” in secret, after they left.

The next morning Trump was down to a 100,000 lead. That is 200,000 votes counted with no oversight. Then, that day, GOP observers were told to stand in an area where they could not see the count because there was a forklift operating between them and the counters. During that day, Trump lost another 70,000 votes. ALL absentee ballots. All day long absentee ballots were “appearing”. All trending heavily Biden, and the vast majority in counties with judges who are democrats, as in the case in Chatham county who dismissed Trump’s court case today over fraud.

I have watched videos, just in GA, of poll workers throwing away and marking ballots.

And that is just GA. There are document cases of ballots being thrown away, marked up, USPS backdating absentee ballots, counties voting over 100% of registered voters, observers being locked out of areas despite Supreme Court ruling to let them in, windows being shuttered so they couldn’t see in, ballots being discovered dumped, boxes of ballots being delivered in secret in the middle of the night, 100s of thousands of deceased voters and much more. All swing states, all democrat heavy areas.

This is happening at a scale never seen before. How have you not seen this? And we are supposed to roll over like it’s just your run of the mill democrat fraud? It is massive, coordinated, unlike anything we ever seen before. You really need to spend some time catching up.

If this isn’t stopped, we will never have another legitimate election again.

Mark my words.


9,747 posted on 11/05/2020 10:12:05 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: JediJones

If you cannot see the obvious fraud in this election you have a serious problem!!!!!!!!!


9,767 posted on 11/06/2020 3:49:44 AM PST by ohioman
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To: JediJones

Good post. I agree with most of it but have a problem with using just machines.

Mail in voting does have lots of problems as we know and can lead to boxes of ballots coming in in the dead of night. So I agree with you there. Absentee voting has less of a chance of fraud if, and a big IF, you have a check on who sent the ballot in and verify eligibility. Once you remove the ballot from the envelope any chance of catching a problem is gone.

I like paper ballots counted by machines. Machine-only voting is subject to programming errors and we have seen that has been a problem in places. If you have a corrupt company doing the programming you are already behind the starting line. But having a properly verified paper ballot cast, entered and counted by a machine gives you a backup for correcting machine error. An example is the problem in Arizona - voters there used sharpie pens that bled through the paper (the mistake was the paper used was too thin). The rejected ballots can be hand counted so no foul. Using only a machine with a touch screen means a malfunctioning machine can disregard voter intent and like an improperly verified paper ballot cast an incorrect vote.


9,798 posted on 11/06/2020 6:36:56 AM PST by CedarDave (NM's oil patch needs fracking; large signs here saying: "Vote Trump 2020. Your job depends on it.")
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