South Dakota’s Positive Virus Rate Hits 46%—but Noem Aide Says ‘We Feel Pretty Good

Daily Beast ^ | 10/31/2020 | Tori B Powell

[ChicagoConservative27]

A staggering 46 percent of coronavirus tests are coming back positive in South Dakota at the moment—but Gov. Kristi Noem has “no opinion” on masks and her team thinks everything is going just fine, The Wall Street Journal reports.

[Wayne07]

I've read somewhere that this year's death rate in the US from all causes is about normal. If true, it suggests that Covid - begins of its high-contagion rate - is just "elbowing out" flu and the "underlying causes" and replacing them as the cause of death.

What? No, that's totally wrong, where did you read it?

Excess deaths are up about 300,000 over the expected values for 2020, and that's only up to Oct 3, so three more months of death to add to that.

Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons.

[ASOC]

I won’t accuse you of being a (redacted phrase here) if you will stop calling me a liar. Why? - you don’t know jack about me and I the same about you.

My experience with Japanese is they wore masking owing to high levels pollen issues. True, I was only there for a few weeks, so my impression could be off. How long did you live in Japan?

Japan also has a high proportion of elderly in the population. In fact, their society is so different than the US, any comparison is useless.
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As far as Sweden - Sweden has not reported any deaths due to COVID-19 for more than a week. (31 Aug/2020)

Data from the nation’s public health agency show the last death was recorded on Aug. 23. They (local Govt) shows about <1 death/week FROM COVID.

do not conflate **case numbers** with deaths. It has become difficult to find hospitalization numbers (NOT RAATES) and death numbers owing tot he politics involved.
Here in Alaska. ‘health officials’ now report COVID + Pneumonia deaths together - and provide no separate accounting. /.

Most tests have very high false positive rates. Also - died FROM COVID and died WITH COVID are two very different numbers. CO-morbidity issues abound in the US - obesity, asthma, heart issues and low Vit D levels are all players in the numbers game.

Even the CDC has finally admitted the number here is the US (as reported) are high owing to hospitals claiming damn near every death as COVID - because they got more money ...if the postmortem testing showed the virus present.

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“The CDC that gathers the statistics is completely dependent on the reports of the local coroners,” Giroir responded. “Yes, there appear to be some misincentives to over-code.”

On Friday, Luetkemeyer referenced a Colorado study that found COVID-19 reporting data to be inflated.

Earlier this year, the Colorado Health Department reported that **nearly a quarter** of the coronavirus-related deaths in state statistics did not have the virus listed on their death certificates. The discrepancy caused the state to change the way it reports COVID-19 deaths.

Politics? Yup. Me, not so much.

[chiller]

OC43, HKU1, NL63 or 229E

I’m not familiar with any of these virus....so perhaps it means there’s a decent immunity developed for them

[lepton]

For some reason the body doesn’t pull up, but the headline doesn’t mean what it appears you think it means.

[ifinnegan]

“”If someone comes in with 37, 38, even 36, it’s just dead nucleotides, period.””

If Fauci said this it makes sense because “dead nucleotides” is nonsense.

It’s a chemical. It’s not alive or dead.

If there are nucleci acids long enough to include both primers and the full size product is produce, it’s there.

It may not reflect a viable virus or enough virus to cause disease, perhaps that’s what Fauci was trying to say.

[Wonder Warthog]

"I have looked at them from time to time, but haven’t seen the rates of hospitalizations or deaths."

They're there....you have to scroll WAY down to find them, but they are there with graphs going all the way back to March.

[nicollo]

"It may not reflect a viable virus or enough virus to cause disease, perhaps that’s what Fauci was trying to say."

Either way, the larger point is that 30 + cycles are meaningless and merely create false positives.

[Jim Noble]

It APPEARS to be true that CT > 35 means there’s not enough virus to cause a new infection.

A lot of these arguments are stupid because there is not enough known about this new disease. For example: What’s the 50%île infectious dose? How long is the virus viable in air, and how is that affected by temperature and humidity? How do masks work? How much is the viral dose reduced by one mask (infected person wearing mask, others not) vs how much is it reduced by BOTH people wearing a mask?

[Republican Wildcat]

I asked how you came up with that and you responded by just repeating the same thing over again...?

[chiller]

I don’t understand your point.

People must be exposed to —and develop anti-bodies for—COVID one way or another (vaccine). A good portion of SDers have apparently undergone tests that demonstrate they’ve been exposed and developed immunities

.....unless there’s a lot of deaths or illnesses of which Gov. Noem isn’t aware or is ignoring. Doubtful.

I haven’t even mentioned the number of false positives. Nor harmless asymptomatic cases.(most of them) The number of tests is useless, except to advise how the herd immunity is progressing.

What data worries you ?

[Balding_Eagle]

Briefly, in the article, less than ten thousand died of Corona at the time the study was done. (September?)

[Republican Wildcat]

Are you responding to my posts or someone else’s?

[chiller]

I’m pretty sure you’re on the wrong thread.

[Republican Wildcat]

I am definitely on the correct thread.

You said nearly half the state was infected. I asked you where you got that from and pointed out that 46% number was from the people who went to get tested who believed they either had the virus or were exposed to it, not the state’s entire population itself. You then replied with something that did not answer the question just restating the same thing again. I pointed this out and you replied once again with stuff that had nothing to do with what I said, therefore prompting to ask if you were replying to me, or meant to reply to someone else, and now you state I am on the wrong thread.

This is making absolutely no sense.

[allwrong57]

I’ll be 64 in the spring. I was well enough I did my everyday workout and never missed a day of lifting weights or running.

I also haven’t been to a doctor in 30 years, I have a nurse wife to look after me. I took a couple of tylenol for two days to knock down the temperature, that’s all.

[boxlunch]

Cold virus is causing positive tests. Common cold virus!

This is just insanity!!!

[lepton]

Briefly, in the article, less than ten thousand died of Corona at the time the study was done. (September?)

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So if you assume the study isn’t junk, then what is the cause of the rest of the huge upswing in deaths?

April NYC:
Typical April deaths from all causes is about 4520 (slightly above average for all months because it is the end of flu season).
See https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/vs/2015sum.pdf page 40 for 2015 deaths as an example

April 2020 deaths, purported to be from COVID: 18,321 as of April 30th.

Later, the numbers from March 11th through May2 reports (which are really for deaths by April 30th), had an expected number of deaths of 7935, but an actual death total of 32,107, yielding a total of excess deaths of over 25,000 people for that month and a half.

Accepting that there are some normal deaths included in the total attributed to COVID, to what do you attribute the rest of the excess deaths? Assume all 10k from across the country actually happened in NYC, and you still have to explain 15,000 excess deaths in NYC in April alone for your cited study to either be junk or to not say what you think it says.

Flatly, while there clearly are some misattributed examples, the overall thrust of these articles minimizing the deaths clearly don’t work.

Realistically, COVID deaths are something between about 150k and 270k so far, since March 1, with some currently unknown cause making up the difference.

Folks minimizing the deaths by means of a relative few mis-attributions allowed it to take too long to see how many folks Cuomo, Murphy, Whitmer, et al caused to die by their criminally bad decisions.

[Trillian]

My husband asked a lab tech the other day and out of a few thousand tests, only 4-5 tested negative. This is a damn scam.

[The Great RJ]

According to the leftist media narrative there will soon be a shortage of bulldozers in South Dakota to dig the mass graves for all the COVID deaths and snowplows are soon to be used to clear the dead from city streets. Of course all of this is Trump’s fault with cooperation of South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem. Positive test rates are BS. How many people are dying solely as a result of COVID and are hospitals filled strictly as a result of COVID patients? According to bogus media reports the Sturgis, SD motorcycle rally killed more people than the fire bombing of Tokyo and the Hiroshima atomic bomb.