Posted on 09/11/2020 1:50:16 AM PDT by xzins
A Los Angeles Superior Court judge issued an order banning Pastor John MacArthur and Grace Community Church from conducting, participating in or attending any indoor worship services.
It is a stunning blow to religious liberty.
(Excerpt) Read more at toddstarnes.com ...
I heard pastor MacArthur say to Laura Ingraham last night that there will be church this Sunday regardless of the Court Order. I hope that the thousands that attend his mega-church will be joined by thousands of other Christians in Southern California in non-violent civil disobedience by attending and not leaving if or when they are ordered to disperse. In this case disobedience to the Court is obedience to God. As Peter asked the Temple authorities “ Is right to obey Man and disobey God?” then disobeyed them by continuing to teach the Gospel. The principal, that does not contradict Rom.13, has been Christian’s behavior when the civil authorities over reached their God ordained authority and grasp that which belongs to God. In this case the requirement by God to gather and worship Him. Whenever the Civil Authorities requires what God forbids; or forbids what God requires then the Christian is bound to obey God.
God bless him!
Pray for him!
They need to protect their First Amendment rights with their Second Amendment rights.
That was a joke, right?
You can take your repudiate and pound sand.
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While it’s impossible to slander someone if what the person is saying is known to be a lie (to the person who is saying it) about someone else, I’m glad you did some homework on MacArthur. Probably the Druid stuff is because he comes from a family of Freemasons, and I suspect the same about Jack Hayford.
George Barna has estimated that 1 out of 5 American churches will fold in the next 3 months as a result of the shutdowns.
That site is beyond nuts. You are a lunatic if you believe that nonsense not to mention the blatant anti-semitism in the website and the attacks on President Trump.
You should reveal that it’s Barbara Aho posting those deranged rantings instead of playing your coy game.
You can check the link I supplied and cross check other info and even half of what is at the first link is true McArthur has some serious explaining to do.
The 1st amendment issues are important but I wouldn’t “lay hands on suddenly” on such a person in fellowship.
Hope he prevails but it’s interesting few other conservative groups have rushed in to join him...maybe they will. Maybe they have the same reservations about him. Don’t know....
The site treads a fine line concerning the jews but I checked and I saw no blatant antisemitic rantings there. I checked other sources that do confirm the mark of the beast statements and that he’s never walked them back. The druidic “summer sessions with the church kids did happen. As for me....
The Word who was also God was made flesh and dwelt amongst us. Yeshua is the Christ come in the flesh spoken of in 1 John 4.
MacArthur has done and said some questionable things that give me pause. He is right about the 1 st amendment issues and he should have the right to run his church and worship as he sees fit.
I fear he may screw his gambit up. Other more grounded churches now have to come along side to blunt any “tangential” damage MacArthur may do.(I’m not suggesting he would do anything deliberately, but if he is off base and doing things in his own strength, he may fail and we’ll fail with him)
“The druidic “summer sessions with the church kids did happen. As for me....
The Word who was also God was made flesh and dwelt amongst us. Yeshua is the Christ come in the flesh spoken of in 1 John 4.
MacArthur has done and said some questionable things that give me pause. He is right about the 1 st amendment issues and he should have the right to run his church and worship as he sees fit.
I fear he may screw his gambit up. Other more grounded churches now have to come along side to blunt any “tangential” damage MacArthur may do.
(I’m not suggesting he would do anything deliberately, but if he is off base and doing things in his own strength, he may fail and we’ll fail with him)"
He's off base, demonstrably, by his cutting and pasting Pentecost out of the Word; therefore he is doing things in his own strength.
All of the “sources” are other wacko lunatic dispensations Arminian heretic websites or link back to the ramblings of Barbara Aho.
I don’t agree with everything MacArthur teaches (his Soteriology is solid, his eschatology is not) but you are simply lying about him “writing Pentecost” out of scripture.
Because he doesn’t believe in handling snakes or speaking gibberish and then calling it “tongues” you choose to slander him.
PS: No coy game....my general history here wouldn’t lend itself to such a charge. I’m just saying “hold it....be careful about rushing in with support.” Pray about it.
He’s been up against the courts before....I wasn’t even sure if this story wasn’t a repeat from earlier this summer but I guess this was a new case. I wasn’t sure if the city court was trying to enforce city, county or state edicts or all three.
I look at the facts in the statements, not the conclusions that a writer tries to foist through twisted statements.
That’s why a general rule I have is to discard half the gobbledy gook and look at dates and statements that could be verified from other sources. MacArthur gives me pause.
I believe he is right on the constitutional issues at hand but is he doing a spiritual charge of the light brigade? Ideally he needed to really reach out and try to enlist other churches to join him. After all what would Los Angeles and the State Gov do when several million are simply ignoring their edicts by worship and if God be for it....hardly anyone will get sick!(the msm would certainly ramp up the hysteria over 50 more cases that might occur especially if one died...oh my goodness//s)
One of the most shameful eras in all Christian history is this era where pastors wouldn’t visit the sick and dying, when churches wouldn’t hold funerals, when assembly and communion was ignored, and when the Word was relegated to nonessential.
Now I know how Islam so easily conquered mideast Christianity after Mohammed’s rise
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Do you believe the similar miracle occurred when Peter spoke in the Book of Acts, and different peoples understood him in their native tongue?
Do you believe that the same Holy Spirit fell at Pentecost that indwells believers today?
There is no evidence that the first century miracles simply dried up, as MacArthur teaches.
While I agree with much of what MacArthur teaches on the “going beyond the Word” aspects of lunatic charismatics, this does not mean that signs and wonders will stop following believers, or that we are somehow shorn of the baptism of the Holy Spirit of which was missing and given to John the Baptist's disciples, who immediately began to prophesy and speak in tongues, in the book of Acts.
1And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
3And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
4Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. 7Now the men were about twelve in all.
This is the sort of thing that MacArthur cuts out of the Word, and thereby renders his brand of Christianity as one denuded of the power of the Spirit, because he denies that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as happened to the first century church happens today...
“Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”
I agree. I use the metaphor of a building on fire. Rescuers run towards the building, not away.
It’s a good metaphor because our firemen can have training and fire hoses and protective equipment. They should. Still, they don’t run away from the people in the building. They go in at risk and they rescue.
The church should be rescuing people right now. From despair, depression, worldliness, cynicism, various stresses. We should be ministering, helloing, praying. Some are. But not enough.
That Rev. 22:18 is especially unimpressive!
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