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Teen charged in Kenosha killings stalls return to Wisconsin (delayed so he can hire a lawyer)
ABC News 3340 ^ | August 28th 2020 | STEPHEN GROVES and SCOTT BAUER,

Posted on 08/28/2020 1:57:08 PM PDT by sickoflibs

KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) —The judge in Waukegan, Illinois, postponed Kyle Rittenhouse's extradition hearing to Sept. 25 during a brief video conference that was streamed online. Rittenhouse asked for the delay in order to have time to hire a private attorney. He faces five felony charges, including first-degree intentional homicide and first-degree reckless homicide, and a misdemeanor charge for possession of a dangerous weapon by a minor.

Rittenhouse, a white teen who was armed with a semi-automatic rifle as he walked Kenosha's streets with other armed civilians during this week's protests, would face a mandatory life sentence if convicted of first-degree intentional homicide. Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system. (clip) Another Rittenhouse attorney, Lin Wood, said Thursday that the teenager was acting in self-defense.

From my standpoint, it’s important that the message be clear to other Americans who are attacked that there will be legal resources available in the event false charges are brought against them,” he said. “Americans should never be deterred from exercising their right of self-defense.”

(Excerpt) Read more at abc3340.com ...


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To: Chode

Lin’s not a criminal attorney. He’s like the umbrella attorney for Kyle :) Lin secured good criminal defense for him.


42 posted on 08/28/2020 3:40:49 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Blue Highway

no one knew much of any of the details until Wed and I’m sure the entire convention was scripted.


43 posted on 08/28/2020 3:43:18 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Blue Highway
Did anyone at the RNC events (including Trump) mention Kyle in any of the speeches? If not big mistake.

No. They mentioned the rioting but nobody mentioned Rittenhouse or Blake.

44 posted on 08/28/2020 3:47:36 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: spacejunkie2001

ok


45 posted on 08/28/2020 3:50:03 PM PDT by Chode (Send bachelors and come heavily armed.)
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To: Paladin2

This Judge will not make Pritizzie happy.


46 posted on 08/28/2020 3:50:47 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (60 in '20. Now, more than ever! (61, I didn't take into account Mittens.))
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To: sickoflibs

The very idea of a “misdemeanor charge of possession of a deadly weapon by a minor” is nonsensical. If it can’t be illegal for an adult to possess a deadly weapon, then how can a minor be found guilty of a crime for doing so?

I could see if they said that an ADULT who provided the weapon to the child is guilty of a crime, but I can’t imagine a scenario in which a child is supposed to be punished as an adult for something that is not a crime for an adult to do.

If they’re charging him as an adult, then he should be able to argue that adults are allowed to possess weapons and therefore that charge is moot.


47 posted on 08/28/2020 3:51:43 PM PDT by RightFighter (This space for rent)
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To: farming pharmer

Here’s a good breakdown on the BS charges

https://twitter.com/marinamedvin/status/1299414708634742784?s=21


48 posted on 08/28/2020 3:54:12 PM PDT by hardspunned (MAGA, now more than ever)
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To: sickoflibs

He has already had a least two major lawyers offer their services for free. He will get adequate representation.


49 posted on 08/28/2020 3:58:22 PM PDT by silent majority rising
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To: farming pharmer

Go have a look at that website in the first link you gave, https://www.givesendgo.com/GUCZ

Any email or names? No. Just someone “claiming” to be “Friends of the Rittenhouse Family” and located in Atlanta GA which is pretty far from WI. givesendgo doesn’t seem to give any assurances as far as where the money goes and they don’t check anyone out. In their FAQs, they say to make sure you’re familiar with the funding campaign you’re donating to.

I would hold off on donating to fightback.law aka Lin Wood until we know that his team is actually representing Kyle. They probably are or will but simply haven’t gotten there yet.


50 posted on 08/28/2020 4:02:14 PM PDT by Pollard (whatever)
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To: sergeantdave
I’d further bet that most of the Antifa fascists have criminal records. I’d bet more that these criminal fascists were recently released from state prisons by democrat governors.

Kinda makes you wonder if they haven't been training up revolutionary marxists in the prisons of leftist states just like they do in the universities.

51 posted on 08/28/2020 4:07:53 PM PDT by Pollard (whatever)
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To: sickoflibs

Quite a bit of video from the Rittenhouse incident here.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/dLfXaiFKdlY


52 posted on 08/28/2020 4:10:27 PM PDT by familyop ( "Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy".)
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To: hardspunned

Thread Reader App of the same twitter thread

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1299414708634742784.html

(always check twitter threads for one of these. You can also have one created by tweeting “@threadreaderapp unroll” in any twitter thread. Much more readable)


53 posted on 08/28/2020 4:10:33 PM PDT by Pollard (whatever)
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To: sickoflibs

For those who want to donate, this tweet was apparently from Lin Wood (comment #7).

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3878423/posts?page=7#7


54 posted on 08/28/2020 4:13:20 PM PDT by familyop ( "Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy".)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

There are videos of other protesters there carrying.


55 posted on 08/28/2020 4:17:33 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Bkmk


56 posted on 08/28/2020 4:22:17 PM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply.)
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To: hardspunned
I was just noticing the same thing that she points out at the link - the misdemeanor for possession of a firearm is bogus. He can't be charged with that the way the law is written. Consider the first part of the law under which he was charged:

948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.

(1) 

In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.

(2) 

(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.

(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.

(d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.

(3) 

(a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult. This section does not apply to an adult who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age for use only in target practice under the adult's supervision or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the adult's supervision.

(b) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon in the line of duty. This section does not apply to an adult who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age in the line of duty.

(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.

Note that it says "This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593."

So, the question is - what do sections 941.28, 29.304 and 29.593 say?

941.28 is about the "Possession of short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle" - Kyle was clearly not in possession of a short-barreled shotgun or rifle, so he's not in violation of 941.28.

29.304 is about the "Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age" - Kyle is not under 16 years of age.

29.593 is about the "Requirement for certificate of accomplishment to obtain hunting approval" - Kyle wasn't hunting, so he doesn't need a certificate for hunting approval.

Since the section of the law they charged him under says that the entire section only applies to a person under age 18 who is in violation of one of those three sections of the law, then the entire section appears not to apply to Kyle Rittenhouse.

57 posted on 08/28/2020 4:32:40 PM PDT by RightFighter (This space for rent)
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To: sickoflibs

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1299183241224749057

http://fightback.law/


58 posted on 08/28/2020 4:36:45 PM PDT by familyop ( "Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy".)
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To: RightFighter
Oh, and someone might make the argument that if Kyle's parent gave him the rifle or transferred the rifle to him, then the parent is guilty of a crime, but I don't think that could possible be true.

Kyle lives in Illinois. Illinois law on the possession of a firearm by a minor is quite different than Wisconsin law. This is the relevant part of what Illinois law says:

§ 24-3.1.  Unlawful possession of firearms and firearm ammunition.

(a) A person commits the offense of unlawful possession of firearms or firearm ammunition when:

(1) He is under 18 years of age and has in his possession any firearm of a size which may be concealed upon the person;

Since Kyle was not carrying a concealable firearm, he's not guilty of anything in Illinois, and I doubt that there's any legal prohibition against his parent giving him access to a non-concealable firearm. In other words, if it's legal for Kyle to possess a rifle in Illinois, then it can't be illegal for a parent to let him possess it.

Since any transfer of the firearm in question from a parent to Kyle is extremely likely to have happened IN ILLINOIS, then Kyle's parent can't be guilty of illegally transferring possession of a firearm to Kyle under WISCONSIN law.

59 posted on 08/28/2020 4:38:45 PM PDT by RightFighter (This space for rent)
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To: Pollard

“Kinda makes you wonder if they haven’t been training up revolutionary marxists in the prisons of leftist states just like they do in the universities.”

I’d bet that there’s plenty of Marxist/jihad training in prisons. But it mostly consists of face-to-face propaganda. Beyond lifting weights, there’s no actual martial training. However, these prison thugs do have the right psychological/criminal mindset to kill people without conscience. That’s what makes them critically dangerous.

Remember, every nazi thug shot by that 17-year-old patriot in Kenosha had serious criminal records.

I’d suggest that every patriot sign up for pistol or rifle basic training from an experienced instructor. Even if you’re already snapped in with your weapon. Old dogs are still capable of teaching new tricks you probably hadn’t thought of.


60 posted on 08/28/2020 4:42:23 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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