Posted on 04/03/2020 3:04:15 AM PDT by zeestephen
Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, microbiologist and infectious disease epidemiologist, formerly of Mainz University Germany: "All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook."
(Excerpt) Read more at quadrant.org.au ...
“...collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.”
That’s raciest.
Thou shalt not post dissenting opinions on this board. /s
Travis will be piping in any second! Wait for it, wait for it ...
and they are not alone.
however, they are also, for the most part, NOT ON FAKENEWSMSM.
“Do nothing” is a valid argument, I have said so from the beginning. In a perfect world one would know what the result would be. This world is far from perfect. The result really could be a “Spain” with 1 or 2% of half the population dead. Whatever that # is, is that a price society is willing to pay?
So now you know where “1.6 Million” comes from.
“Whatever that # is, is that a price society is willing to pay?”
The people holding that position are quite willing to let society pay such a price as long as no one they care about is part of that number. Once they’re watching a loved one drown in their own body fluids their opinions will change.
L
Take your
Vitamin C
Zinc
Wash You Hands
Go Back To Work
This is beyond ridiculous
“The result really could be a “Spain” with 1 or 2% of half the population dead.”
It’s not clear that even Spain will be “a Spain”, since the numbers that you give there are an extrapolation into the future. And the experience in Spain doesn’t really inform us much about the necessity of shuttering businesses that are deemed “non-essential”. We don’t even know for sure why Spain is “a Spain”. It could be for a number of reasons other than failure to implement severe social distancing measures.
Maybe I’m a bit sheltered, but I haven’t seen many people make an unqualified “do nothing” argument. It seems like a straw man.
I think these dissenting doctors are wrong, and also I think they may regret their statements for the rest of their careers. One of the mistakes they made is using the Diamond Princess data when several of the passengers were still in critical conditions. J. Ioannidis for example says the number of deaths was seven, but by now the number of deaths is ten. That takes the death rate up by over 40%.
The mortality rate is now better known. IFR .7%, ten times worse than seasonal flu.
You can find the email addresses for these doctors and let them know they are being used by crackpots to understate the severity of the situation.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30243-7/fulltext
“Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case.. “
Dear Prof. Ioannidis:
Your article has been cited hundreds if not thousands of times by those who argue that the mortality rate for Covid19 is comparable to the seasonal flu (see a few links below). If you are wrong about this, and if your advice is followed, and the disease a treated as though it were a seasonal flu, the excess deaths could be in the millions. Now that the true infection mortality rate of .7% is known from the study of repatriated foreigners who were in Wuhan (see attached published study), I hope you will consider retracting your argument based on the Diamond Princess and publish that retraction.
Sincerely
Brodie Johnson
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2020/04/one-dozen-dissenting-second-opinions/
https://www.stress.org/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-severely-overreacting-to-coronavirus
http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2020/04/01/one-dozen-dissenting-second-opinions-geoffrey-luck/
Would a runaway plague created by a nation which could threaten populations of an enemy cause them to react by demanding extreme restriction of movement by its population to prevent its spread ? Thus wind up fragmenting its economy.
The way this whole thing developed starting with the Italian fashion industry areas controlled by the Chinese commies hit by a runaway CoVid19. Sure looks suspicious particularly when crews of naval vessels somehow wind up being infected by it.
While a guest on the Mark Levin show Former Senator and Conservative leader Jim DeMint speculated about current events and felt they (Chinese Commies) weren’t that smart.
Based on actual stats, the rational response would be
- If over 65, stay home
- If under 50, go back to work/school, but avoid contact with older relatives.
We can all see now as we move further into this
(549000 cases 5600 deaths, swine flu thousands infected, 14000 dead) that there may be something in this that don’t smell right. Sure we are not over the hump but we are killing our life blood the economy because of this
Funny, all these medical heretics ae men...
If that were true, Americans would demand that we shut down the country every year on October 1st - when seasonal influenza begins.
According to the CDC, seasonal flu has killed between 24,000 and 62,000 Americans in the last 25 weeks.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
COVID-19 has killed 6,000 Americans in the last 10.5 weeks.
There is good news, by the way.
The “Positive Test Rate” for COVID-19 for high risk individuals in Washington state and California has been 8% or less for weeks.
The rate in New York City is more than 35% - which is actually less than the peak rate for seasonal influenza in NYC two months ago.
Bottom Line - the USA has destroyed trillions of dollars of hard earned wealth in a completely senseless effort to stop a severe influenza season.
Each “saved” life in 2020 will have cost tens of millions of dollars.
“COVID-19 has killed 6,000 Americans in the last 10.5 weeks.”
And if the most modest projections are correct another 100,000 will die in the next 6 weeks. And that’s on the low end.
L
from one of the Docs: “Remember the joke about tigers: ‘Why did you blow the horn?’ ‘To keep tigers away’. ‘But there are no tigers here.’ ‘There, you see!’”
Re: “The mortality rate is now better known. IFR .7%, ten times worse than seasonal flu.”
The “Case Fatality Rate” for an average USA flu season is between 0.1% and 0.2% - which means 3.5X to 7X worse than seasonal flu.
You have also ignored obvious environmental differences between a cruise ship and more normal living and working conditions.
The average age on the Diamond Princess was significantly higher than an average population.
Also, the density of human beings on a cruise ship - and especially the crew quarters - is a fraction of the density that we have on land.
Bottom Line...
After 10.5 weeks, the USA death toll from COVID-19 is 6,000.
After 25 weeks, the USA death toll for seasonal flu is 24,000 to 62,000.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
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