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Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate
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Posted on 12/19/2019 4:16:08 PM PST by Bigtigermike

A House Democrat impeachment expert just wrote an opinion article stating that impeachment is a process not a vote and that Trump could legitimately say he wasn’t impeached at all because impeachment is seen through the lenses of the constitution as a whole -impeached in the House and then sent to the Senate for the trial. You can’t have one without the other


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KEYWORDS: dems; impeachment; okthen; pelosi; trump
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To: olesigh

Cato Institute
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The House has impeached President Trump, but there are still sticking points about the terms of a Senate trial. What new information might be produced in the trial?

http://j.mp/34KQZQY #DemDebate #Cato2020


61 posted on 12/19/2019 5:09:43 PM PST by olesigh
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To: olesigh

The ultimate guide to the Donald Trump impeachment saga

By Matthew Yglesias and Andrew Prokop
Updated: Dec 19, 2019, 12:11pm EST
Published: Nov 5, 2019, 8:06am EST

The story of President Donald Trump and impeachment reached a key moment on December 18: House Democrats and one independent voted to impeach the president.

The vote means that Trump has been “impeached,” but he still serves as president. It’s up to the Senate to hold a trial and decide whether to remove him.


62 posted on 12/19/2019 5:11:30 PM PST by olesigh
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To: Bigtigermike
Saving the click through Twitter: OPINION: Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate
63 posted on 12/19/2019 5:13:07 PM PST by Arones
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Ok? You may have a point!


64 posted on 12/19/2019 5:13:08 PM PST by pilgrim
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To: olesigh

IBT

President Donald Trump was impeached for abuse of power in a historic vote in the House of Representatives on Wednesday, setting up a Senate trial on removing him from office after three turbulent years.

By a 230 to 197 vote in the Democratic-majority House, the 45th US president became just the third occupant of the White House in American history to be impeached.


65 posted on 12/19/2019 5:13:15 PM PST by olesigh
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To: Bigtigermike; All

The prosecutor convinced a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

But because his case was ludicrous on its face, he didn’t file the indictment with the court.


66 posted on 12/19/2019 5:14:03 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: olesigh

I was taught that impeachment is a charging of high crimes etc. and that does not imply or mean conviction which is the duty of the Senate.

IOW, Johnson and Clinton were impeached but not convicted.

I also find it irritating in surfing the web how many people believe that Richard Nixon was impeached. He was not. Impeachment was being considered by the House but no vote was held.

Apparently quite a few people (asleep during civics class or current public school grads) can’t distinguish between impeachment and conviction.

On a further note, voting “stay at homers” should consider the fact that if the Dems controlled the Senate DJT would be thrown out of office within weeks. Even a jaywalking ticket would have sufficed.


67 posted on 12/19/2019 5:16:08 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: A strike

Did you get a tingle with mr obumer like some others?

Not sure where you get your notions, but think you might reconsider?

And by the way your Ecclesiastes tag sometime think I am to the right of ‘Atilla the Hun’!!


68 posted on 12/19/2019 5:19:32 PM PST by pilgrim
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To: A strike

Just saw this, was wondering where your post came from?

Take care.........pilgrim


69 posted on 12/19/2019 5:21:17 PM PST by pilgrim
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To: olesigh

Lastly my dear dreamers, even Trump knows he’s impeached:

“ATROCIOUS LIES … AN ASSAULT ON AMERICA,” Donald Trump said on Twitter. Then he went tweetless for a five-hour interlude as the final House debate on articles of impeachment slow-marched into the afternoon and early evening.

Sen. Lindsey Graham checked in on his friend. He passed along what Trump told him. “Well I’m being impeached, other than that, I’m doing OK,” Trump said. The president’s senior counselor, Kellyanne Conway, fielding questions from reporters in the White House briefing room, said Trump did not view impeachment as a stain on his legacy. “We think it’s ridiculous,” she said.

A White House official told NBC News the president’s reaction was one of “disbelief” that the process had reached this point. Trump left the White House at dusk to fly to Michigan for a campaign rally, not stopping as he often does to parry questions from reporters waiting on the South Lawn. He was onstage when the House roll calls came in for two articles of impeachment, and he let loose.

“THEY’RE the ones that should be impeached. Every one of them,” Trump told the crowd. “House Democrats are trying to nullify the ballots of tens of millions of patriotic Americans,” he said. And who just got branded? “Crazy Nancy Pelosi’s House Democrats have branded themselves with an eternal mark of shame,” said Trump. He had a new insult for House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff: “not exactly the best-looking guy we’ve ever seen.”


70 posted on 12/19/2019 5:23:11 PM PST by olesigh
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To: Bigtigermike

NewJerseyJoe suggests:

McConnell should declare something like this:

“Because the articles of impeachment have been made publicly available, the Senate deems them ‘delivered’ — the House has six hours for their managers to present themselves to participate in the process. Otherwise, we will begin without them, and no one will be allowed to join the process once we’ve started.”


71 posted on 12/19/2019 5:24:26 PM PST by Singermom
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To: ChildOfThe60s

denial is a powerful motivator But we must be truthful above all and words have meanings.

Lastly Tump will win in the senate and in November. Wait till Bloomberg emerges and trump unloads about his performance as mayor of NY.


72 posted on 12/19/2019 5:25:30 PM PST by olesigh
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To: Bigtigermike

The Senate has “sole” authority to try cases of impeachment. Nancy has no authority to even ask the Senate how they plan to conduct the trial, which the Chief Justice of the United States will preside over.

Stuff it Nancy - either pass it over, with grave consequences to the perpetrators of this hoax, or it is a nullity. The Senate has sole authority.


73 posted on 12/19/2019 5:28:02 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

As a committed no more Rino zealot I think I can explain why your argument may not sway the “stay at homers”. The scenario you describe is sound and true, but they think maybe that is what needs to happen. Who is John Galt? Instead of holding our noses and voting, let’s just fight! I may be wrong as I myself have never skipped an election, but that is how I understand the sentiment.


74 posted on 12/19/2019 5:28:05 PM PST by BDParrish ( Please correct me! I never learned anything from anybody who already agreed with me.)
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To: rolling_stone
What sealed indictment?

Every news agency in the world loudly initiated broadcasts that Trump has been indicted on two counts. Millions of idiots thought Pence was President all the sudden (Read Social media/many of these people actually vote in our elections).

Keep playing defense all the time and eventually the other side will score while you are complaining about processes.

BTW, in a court of law, 99% of the judges would of thrown the case out or hold the prosecution liable for misconduct.

We are not dealing with a court of law right now. This is politics and will continue to be unless you go on offense and actually exert Constitutional enumerate protections.
75 posted on 12/19/2019 5:33:30 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: pilgrim

There is no way Trump can fit in a peach. Simply isn’t going to happen.


76 posted on 12/19/2019 5:34:36 PM PST by cornfedcowboy
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To: Bigtigermike

I’m not 100% sure I agree. Jackson was impeached by the House on 11 counts but the Senate only took up 8 of the articles for the trial. Does that mean he wasn’t impeached on the other 3?

IMO, and it’s just an opinion, Trump has been impeached by the House. If they don’t send the impeachment to the Senate, it will just be an historical particularity or ‘an asterisk on the asterisk’.


77 posted on 12/19/2019 5:37:51 PM PST by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: Charles Martel

Troll admits he has been banned twice.

How long until Jim impeaches him and kicks him out?

3...2....1...


78 posted on 12/19/2019 5:39:06 PM PST by miserare ( Indict Hillary!)
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To: olesigh
No, impeachment is not uncharted waters, but the impeachment of a man that has committed no crime IS.

The speaker holding on to "the papers" instead of turning them over to the Senate is.

The partisan effort is.

The history leading up to this is.

79 posted on 12/19/2019 5:39:33 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true..)
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To: Bigtigermike
"Trump Isn’t Impeached Until the House Tells the Senate "

You can't prove that by the US Constitution. Because it ain't in there.

He's impeached. Period. Full stop.

80 posted on 12/19/2019 5:40:49 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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