Posted on 03/29/2019 7:48:46 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
Inducting Jane Fonda into the National Women's Hall of Fame could cost the organization its partnership with Seneca Falls, New York, its host town and the site of America's first-ever women's right's convention in 1848.
Earlier this month, the Hall of Fame announced the actress would be among its class of 2019. Citing Fonda's actions during the Vietnam War, Seneca Falls Supervisor Greg Lazzaro released a resolution Thursday morning that would pull the town's support out of respect for veterans in the community.
The resolution, which is expected to be proposed at next week's town board meeting, was released to the media and public Thursday morning.
"Jane Fonda’s actions of bringing medical supplies to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, deriding our POWs...and posing for pictures atop missile-launchers designed to shoot down American planes brought divisiveness to our country and to this day to our Vietnam Veterans and it is viewed by virtually all Veterans as treason to this country," the resolution reads.
In last year's HBO documentary "Fonda in Five Acts," the "Grace and Frankie" star admitted that it was a "betrayal" to pose atop an anti-aircraft gun during her controversial 1972 visit to North Vietnam. "I will go to my grave regretting that," she said.
Despite her apology, Fonda's wartime actions continue to stir debate.
(Excerpt) Read more at heraldmailmedia.com ...
So yes, Fonda betrayed the United States but McCain betrayed the MIA soldiers and their families.......
Maybe so, but on the other hand, Eisenhower also betrayed those Hungarian freedom fighters to the Soviets after the war, heck abandoned American POWs to the Norks after Korea, may have had a hand in Castro taking over Cuba, and last I checked, no one denounced him as one of our worst presidents (well, okay, New American does), that’s one of the main reasons I’m hesitant to denounce McCain as being that. And believe me, if I have to denounce McCain as a traitor, I also have to denounce Eisenhower as a traitor as well.
I will personally look up Fonda’s grave for my own reasons.
Someone I know had a serious relationship that ended with the death of a young serviceman in 1968.
Thanks, Jane. /disgust
But why stop with him, let's examine the background of every past president shall we? Let's not, it's irrelevant......
We're talking about Slime ball McCain here and the present day..............Both he and Jane Fonda are traitors but on two different fronts. For McCain, it was to the MIA's and their familes.......
Just as an FYI, McCain’s actions are past day actions now since... well, McCain’s 6 feet under as we speak. And it’s not “twisted logic”, BTW. It’s pure logic. When you denounce one party for something and don’t denounce the other party for the exact same thing, ESPECIALLY if said party was also responsible for it, you’re by definition a hypocrite. Besides, there’s reports coming out that there are still MIA/POWs within North Korea dating back to the Korean War, so what Eisenhower did back then is actually about as relevant today as McCain’s stupidly blowing off the MIA/POWs in Vietnam.
Heck, if we are to use your definition of traitor, we technically ought to label George Washington a traitor due to his deliberately leaving Thomas Paine to rot in France (not that the guy didn’t deserve it due to his siding with the French Jacobins, but even still...).
And quite frankly, I actually WOULD have to examine the background of every past president (or any government official, for that matter) if I’m to not be a hypocrite by denouncing one president for something bad, yet ignoring another’s exact same flaw as the one I just denounced. And that’s exactly the problem, unfortunately.
Either way, at least McCain did NOT sell out his fellow POWs to his captors when entrusted with information by them when visiting them, nor did McCain for that matter engage in a treasonous meeting with the VC in Paris with the explicit intent on throwing the war in favor of his “enemies.” That’s why I refuse to lump him in with Fonda or for that matter Kerry. As bad as what McCain did regarding the MIA/POW stuff, what those two did was several levels WORSE, ESPECIALLY regarding the MIA’s and their families (let’s not forget that if Jane Fonda had at LEAST avoided reporting them to the head of that camp and giving them the information said POWs entrusted to her, had just smuggled them out and delivered them to their COs, even if done anonymously, those POWs would probably have been rescued, heck, may have even given MORE exposure to what the VC did in the mainstream).
So let me ask you this fan boy, did you serve in the military during the Vietnam war? If not then you can not comprehend the hatred we veterans have for your political icon, the honorable John McCain!
I think I speak for the rest of the veterans here when I say "May He Rest In Hell!"
Best give it up bro, there is not a God damn argument you can come up with that will allay my hatred for the sonofabitch..........
I voted for McCain in 2008 (and cut me some slack, that was my first election).
And just because I’m willing to acknowledge he’s not nearly as bad as Jane Fonda or John Kerry DOESN’T mean that I’m a McCain fanboy. In fact, if you want my personal opinion, I was flat out disappointed that he just conceded the race to Obama, not to mention am DEFINITELY disgusted that he basically destroyed any possible chance at undoing Obamacare as his last act in life.
And BTW, I never even served in a war, let alone Vietnam (and for the record, I wasn’t even BORN at the time the Vietnam War came and went). However, had I been a veteran like you, and I were to hate McCain for ditching POWs, guess what? I’d ALSO make darn sure to hate Eisenhower, FDR, JFK, and literally every single dang president who ditched POWs from any war under ANY capacity, possibly even count George Washington for abandoning Thomas Paine. I’m THAT black and white regarding these sorts of things, and in fact, I’d be so consumed with hatred for those presidents for ditching POWs, I’d probably flat out turn into a misanthrope as a result. So yeah, you REALLY don’t want me to start hating on John McCain right now, ESPECIALLY when you’re unwilling to go to that logical conclusion of hating Eisenhower for abandonment of POWs (either you condemn ALL of them, or none of them. Time is irrelevant, certainly it’s irrelevant under God’s laws, that is).
And make no mistake, I’m DEFINITELY angered and disappointed that McCain ditched POWs, as I ought to be with ANY president who does so. But I am NOT willing to go as far as to call it treason, not unless I am to apply that label to EVERY war-time president. And BTW, I’d say that even if I WERE a veteran (which, again, I am not).
Also, I may have joined in 2016, but I’ve been following this site since I think 2013, maybe 2012 at the earliest.
No I'm not since our conversation is strictly about McCain now. So stop going out on you sophomoric tangent about past presidents since you really don't have a horse in this race do ya kid?
Stop it with your your nonsense kid, you're digging yourself deeper into a hole you can't get out of......
First election was 2008????? That makes you what, about 29 years old now? LOL!
You remind me a college sex education professor who never had sex but yet he knows all about orgasms and intimacy....LOL!
There was never any agreement between the U.S. and NK to release any POW's despite what you may have read in your history books.
The Paris Peace accords signed in 1973 stated that the VC would release all of our POW's but they never did, thus insuring the U.S. wouldn't resume military action against them.
Your Maverick John McCain knew this since he was a member of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs and blocked every effort to make this information available to the public.........
First of all, he’s not “my maverick” at all. And for the record, I’m actually 30 (I was born on February 14, 1990).
And just as an FYI, if you’re going to claim that stuff, I suggest you give links or citations for it, since if you want more people to believe you, you need a LOT more than just your word that it happened.
And for the record, I do NOT like McCain right now, ESPECIALLY after he sabotaged any chance at Obamacare being overturned before he died. All out of spite towards Trump for allegedly “snubbing” him, especially when said “snub” was most likely made up by the News Media. Just because unlike you, I do NOT bash McCain or demonize him for POWs still being missing or call him a traitor, doesn’t mean I have any actual love for the man. As far as I’m concerned, any respect for him died when he made sure on his deathbed that Obamacare was still in effect. Heck, my dad also made it very clear that he is NOT a traitor under the definition of the term, unlike Jane Fonda especially, or even John Kerry (whose actions in Paris would at the very least require a dishonorable discharge). Is his not allowing for POWs to be released contemptible? You bet! And if true, that definitely is another blow against him. But it still doesn’t fall under treason, period, at worst just makes him a dithering jerk.
And as far as Eisenhower, I suggest you take it up with The New American. They actually commented on the whole POW situation in North Korea and didn’t bother to retrieve them. And they certainly weren’t happy with Eisenhower leaving them behind.
https://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/5986-korea-the-no-win-war-that-keeps-giving
https://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/item/6625-pows-forgetting-those-left-behind
And don’t get me wrong, I actually favor Eisenhower overall, certainly far more than McCain right now, but I’m also not going to let my fondness for him blind me to any bad things he might have done ESPECIALLY if I start hating anyone for abandoning POWs, unlike you, who is unwilling to even consider blaming literally everything that abandoned POWs, playing favorites in other words. All that matters were I to follow your train of thought, if it’s bad to abandon POWs during Vietnam, it’s bad to abandon them during Korea, or ANY conflict we are engaged in, whether there’s a peace treaty or not, heck, whether there’s an armistice or not (and in fact, it’s mandated even during war that you NEVER leave a soldier behind). It’s pure binary at this point, black and white, something even God mandates.
Unless you’re willing to start throwing away every single person who does so the very second they start abandoning POWs, having fondness turn into pure hatred for doing so for ANY reason, you’re ultimately a hypocrite (and I would say the same thing myself if I ended up doing that). God made it clear morality is black and white and CANNOT allow for any grays. And for the record, I’m only doing this because we have a fundamental disagreement on what qualifies as treason (and under the definition of treason, which entails giving aid and comfort for the enemy during a wartime situation, and ESPECIALLY in terms of deliberately endangering your allies to the enemy and selling them out, McCain, as much as I do NOT like him right now especially after what he did to Trump and his efforts to stop Obamacare, does NOT fit the definition of a traitor, especially compared to Fonda and Kerry). Were it any other president or congressman or senator or what have you, whether it be republican or democrat, who did anything even remotely similar, while ignoring plenty of other politicians who did the EXACT same thing, guess what, I’ll call them out all the same. I go by very strict definitions. And BTW, because of that, if I were to hate one guy for doing it, I’d be consistent and hate EVERYONE who does it. THAT’S avoiding being a hypocrite.
And for the record, sex ed should NEVER have been embraced, that should have been left to the parents, period. Especially when it’s pretty much a planned parenthood vehicle anyway.
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