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To: nonsporting

“Are you saying that sodomite behavior is not deserving of the death penalty?”

As much as all those sins listed are worth of it, as verse 32 said:

“that those who practice such things are deserving of death”

“Those things”, of course, includes EVERYTHING Paul listed, including being disobedient to your parents, being proud, being boastful, being deceitful, unforgiving, etc. Paul clearly tells us EVERY sin is worthy of the death penalty. However, I don’t hear many people calling for an actual institution of the death penalty by civic authorities for things like lying, boasting, or dishonoring your mother and father.

“Are you saying God over reacted in Genesis 18, 19? (He said their sin was “exceedingly grave”)”

No, God’s judgement is righteous. His mercy is also righteous, and we should be glad of it, since he spared some of us from that judgement.

“Can you show me where God has repealed the death penalty for sodomite and other deviant behavior, either in the OT or NT?”

Are we living in the ancient kingdom of Israel? If not, then those laws can hardly be said to be active as our civic laws. If so, then we had better hurry up and catch up on all those ritual sacrifices their prescribe, and start stoning adulterers and all sorts of other offenders too.

The true “death penalty” for homosexuality is God’s judgement that will come if a sinner doesn’t repent of that sin and find grace in Jesus, just the same death penalty that any other sinner will suffer.

Now if you think it’s in the best interests of society to institute the death penalty for homosexuality, you should just make that argument. However, if you are going to claim we need to do it because God commands it, then you should at least be consistent and demand the death penalty for the rest of the capital crimes listed in the OT law as well.


60 posted on 05/01/2018 9:53:35 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Paul clearly tells us EVERY sin is worthy of the death penalty.

Paul says no such thing. If he had, he would be contradicting the Bible's explicit instruction.

"The wages of sin is death" (ultimate repose in the lake of fire), but the not EVERY sin is worthy of the death penalty in this life as the Bible attests:

Not every sin is a capital crime. But, sexual sins, because they are so disordered, in almost every instance merit death.

Now if you think it’s in the best interests of society to institute the death penalty for homosexuality, you should just make that argument. However, if you are going to claim we need to do it because God commands it, then you should at least be consistent and demand the death penalty for the rest of the capital crimes listed in the OT law as well.

By all means. It's righteous implementation would serve us well. Just because our current society and culture have fallen from just laws, doesn't mean we should accept it. It's imperative that we restore the ancient markers. ("Remove not the ancient landmark thy fathers have set." Provers 22:28)

Are we living in the ancient kingdom of Israel? If not, then those laws can hardly be said to be active as our civic laws. If so, then we had better hurry up and catch up on all those ritual sacrifices their prescribe, and start stoning adulterers and all sorts of other offenders too.

It's rather obvious that you have not read the Bible carefully and are unaware of much of what it teaches about the law, specifically what is and is not still binding under the New Covenant. (Paul's epistle to the Hebrews, specifically chapters 8 and 9 touches upon ordinances "Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation." Hebrews 9:10). The rest of the code has not been repealed. And we still honor in our laws some of God's legal code: Murder, theft and bearing false witness, some sexual sins are still against the law. Each of these have penalties in this life.

Paul explains how we are to conduct ourselves within civil society in Romans 13:

4 But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. (Romans 13:4,5)

So, I reject the "anarchy" you are erroneously claim is in effect, as if the law has been done away with. ("Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31). And as to what laws should be implemented, you can keep your ritual sacrifices (fulfilled by Christ) and I'll take God's laws against murder, theft, fornication, adultery, sodomy and witchcraft, which will go a long way in restoring decency and personal responsibility back to our culture.

61 posted on 05/01/2018 10:52:13 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Boogieman
Paul clearly tells us EVERY sin is worthy of the death penalty. However, I don’t hear many people calling for an actual institution of the death penalty by civic authorities for things like lying, boasting, or dishonoring your mother and father.

I addressed this error in my previous post, but I wanted elaborate on the Bible's doctrine on death.

The Bible speaks of two deaths. Because of sin we all will experience the first death, the death of the flesh -- and some sooner than later, because of the kind of sin they have committed (capital crimes). Those condemned through due process of capital crimes (sodomy, adultery, etc) are to be killed immediately, rather than waiting for natural death. Thieves must pay restitution. In constrast liars must pay different prices, which depends on their lie. If they provide false testimony in capital crimes, then they must suffer the penalty of the crime their false testimony would have condemned the innocent man. (See Deuteronomy 19:16-19).

The unsaved sinner, who wishes to be judged based on his own works, rather than the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross, he will experience what the Bible calls the "second death".

In Revelation 20 at the great white throne of the judgement the resurrected dead will stand before God and will be judged out of the books and be cast in the lake of fire, second death.

62 posted on 05/02/2018 6:36:58 AM PDT by nonsporting
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