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To: SERKIT

You must have been on the losing VzW bid team ;-)

How is ‘second net’ working out for ya?

just bustin yer chops.


If you are so well informed, then you are aware that IOC 2.0 (like only the SECOND step after award/protest/ real start) is March of this year. Of course there’s not a LOT to show today. It just got started. 2.5 in August.

This is a huge effort.

I disagree about SafeCom Interoperability. We will just have to disagree, and I am pretty certain that DHS and FirstNet will end up with a (highly) secure interopable standard and buildout. From a First Responder’s standpoint, I just want “it” to work when I push the talk button on whatever gizmo I am issued, and I can talk to whoever I need to on a mission critical basis, as needed. That WILL happen. No question. Now, does it fit the existing ‘continuum’ as published? Dunno, but again as a First Responder, I just need the sh!t to work. And it will. It pretty much does today — I can key a radio, and the Chief can respond from Orlando on his iPhone. Very little latency also. THAT is real today.

Yes, the killer apps will have a cost. It would be unrealisitc to think they don’t/ Turnout gear has a cost. Motorolas have a cost. What world do you live in that you expected no cost?

The Gotcha you reference read to me like reasonable arm-twisting to make this work. HUGE capital investments work best with a long-term vision. A lot of states also have convenience contracts with vendors, enabling them to cancel a multi-year contract at any time with no early-term fees. FirstNet is different: so be it. It works.

I can’t speak to the FOIA business, but the FN RFP is public. You can read it at Firstnet.gov. ALL the carriers have classified deals with the Fed-Gov, so IF parts of the DHS/FN gig are classified and not subject to FOIA, so be it.

But really, WHAT is your heart burn about this? You must be in a northern Verizon-served state. You obviously have a h@rdon about AT&T, so DO you work for VzW? ;-)

If it works even 80% of the promise, it might enable the First Responder community to live longer and save more lives.

Win the next contract.


95 posted on 01/29/2018 6:01:37 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag
You must have been on the losing VzW bid team ;-)

How is ‘second net’ working out for ya?

just bustin yer chops.

Ha! The things Verizon and AT&T have in common is that NEITHER is forthright, NEITHER can answer technical questions, and BOTH talk trash about each other.

I have said many times: Verizon is not our enemy, and AT&T is not necessarily our friend.

The only dogs I have in this fight is the two dozen first responder agencies and three PSAPs, and thus far, AT&T is coming out on the short end for a whole host of reasons.

98 posted on 01/29/2018 6:40:40 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Blueflag
Take a breath - I want to see it work, too, but they have a tough hill in my state.

I can’t speak to the FOIA business, but the FN RFP is public.

The RFP is public - it had to be to get bidders, but what we can't see is any exceptions AT&T took to the RFP, and we can't see the AT&T contract which includes very aggressive marketing targets per state.

You can read it at Firstnet.gov. ALL the carriers have classified deals with the Fed-Gov, so IF parts of the DHS/FN gig are classified and not subject to FOIA, so be it.

In all cases of the FOIA release, that case has never been made, really.

But really, WHAT is your heart burn about this? You must be in a northern Verizon-served state. You obviously have a h@rdon about AT&T, so DO you work for VzW? ;-)

AT&T is a train-wreck in my state. They can set any rates they want with a rubber stamp from the regulators, example: 272% increase in leased circuit rates over 5 years. Every major public safety project I have been involved with over a 45 year career, AT&T was the least responsive, slowest, and laziest vendor which caused delays in EVERY project. Their wireless coverage for broadband is horrendous. Yes, we've tried it ... recently ....and it is still as bad as 5 years ago.

If it works even 80% of the promise, it might enable the First Responder community to live longer and save more lives.

Any public safety grade system needs to be a minimum of 95% coverage and availability, period. 80% is not good enough for a 'go-live' for first responders.

You must have been on the losing VzW bid team ;-). Win the next contract.

I wouldn't work for any of these sleazeball companies. There were many reasons Verizon did not bid, and spectrum was a big one - they don't need the spectrum, but they claim they can do preemption and priority (but have not proven it - and neither has AT&T). Verizon claims they will also have a public safety core (but have not proven it - and neither has AT&T). Whenever I meet with either company, I feel the need to immediately take a shower. Verizon claims they are negotiating with FN for core-to-core interoperability, yet FN denies it. The interoperability plan thus far is 'best effort internet connection with no guaranteed delivery'. That's no way to make it safe and reliable.

Color me jaded - from all of it.

102 posted on 01/29/2018 6:59:32 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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