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Are Evangelical Roy Moore Supporters Hypocrites?
Christian Post ^
| 11/18/2017
| Michael Brown
Posted on 11/18/2017 2:08:41 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Over the last 18 months, evangelical Christians have been asked how they could vote for a serial adulterer like Donald Trump while condemning the alleged serial adulterer Bill Clinton as unfit for office. The general response has been: 1) Trump was certainly not our ideal candidate and we do deplore his past; but 2) he seems to have made some changes and is open to our input; and 3) it was either him or Hillary Clinton, and for the sake of the unborn, for the sake of our religious liberties, and for the sake of our security, he got our vote.
Has this compromised our moral authority in the eyes of many Americans?
On the one hand, it certainly has. Our vote for Trump is thrown back in our face on a regular basis and we are linked to anything he says or does that is untasteful.
On the other hand, it really has not, since we have been mocked and vilified and called hypocrites and haters for years now. Do we really think that if many of us did not vote for Trump, the society in general would be more open to hear our views about homosexuality and abortion? Hardly.
When it comes to Judge Roy Moore, we are being asked how any of us could not immediately recognize his guilt, since the mounting evidence against him seems overwhelming. Plus, we seem to believe the bad reports about Hollywood moguls and celebrities and leftwing politicians. Why the double standard here?
First, all of us have biases, conscious or otherwise, and it's all too natural to defend people who are close to us and question people who are distant from us. For example, a devoted liberal Democrat would be far less likely to entertain an accusation against Barack Obama than against Ted Cruz. Conversely, a staunch conservative Republican would be much more likely to entertain an accusation against Obama than against Cruz.
This is reminiscent of the intense drama that unfolded when Anita Hill accused Clarence Thomas of crass and abusive behavior. Liberals rallied around Hill and conservatives stood with Thomas.
As much as we try to avoid partisan emotions, it's only human nature to have them, in which case we must always check to see if we're even making the attempt to be unbiased. Are we? Do we do our best to ask critical questions? Do we give the presumption of innocence to all, even if our first reaction is to condemn those we don't like? Do we weigh all accusations fairly?
Second, when it comes to Judge Moore, we're not just dealing with the possibility of double standards. We're also dealing with extreme skepticism towards leftwing media and extreme suspicion of the political system. So, what may appear to be an extraordinary display of hypocrisy, as conservative evangelicals stand by a man accused of abusive sexual contact with minors, may really be a display of distrust of the left.
Think back to the O. J. Simpson trial, which largely divided Americans between white and black. To many white Americans, the evidence against O. J. was absolutely damning, right down to his DNA all over the crime scene. How is it that so many black Americans didn't see it? Were they ignorant? Did they wink at murder? Was it impossible to think that a black hero was guilty?
Not at all. Instead, they deeply suspected the legal system, from the police to the courts to the jails. They had witnessed unequal treatment under the law. They had seen people framed. They had seen the innocent convicted and the guilty set free, hence their deep-seated suspicion.
Today, with President Trump shouting out "Fake News" on a regular basis and with millions of Americans agreeing, when a story starts with the Washington Post, red flags immediately go up. And when one of the most conservative senatorial candidates in decades comes under fierce attack right before the elections, a man with great loyalty among his followers, it's very easy for some to question his accusers rather than sympathize with them.
As it stands, we are nearing the tipping point in the charges against Moore, with more accusers coming forward by the moment and with his supporters becoming more desperate. And it's understandable why the Babylon Bee, a Christian satire site, posted an article titled, "Evangelicals Announce They Will Withdraw Support For Roy Moore Should Three Or Four Dozen More Women Come Forward."
But before you condemn Moore's Alabama supporters, and before you write off other conservatives who have stood with him, bear in mind that double standards are not the whole story (or, perhaps, even part of the story). Rather, there is extreme suspicion of the left and deep recognition of how many enemies someone like Judge Moore really has. And with some claiming there is clear evidence that the yearbook signature is a forgery, everything else becomes questionable.
For those on the left who think I'm trying to excuse the inexcusable meaning, giving Moore any benefit of the doubt even for a moment just ask yourself how you would have responded if Fox News and Rush Limbaugh claimed to have evidence of Barack Obama sexually abusing minors. To my readers on the left, what would your first reaction be?
We all agree that if the charges against Moore are true then what he did is terribly ugly and evil, especially since he did so as a professing Christian and as someone in power. But let's not get carried away with double-standard accusations right now, especially against conservative Christians in Alabama. There's a lot more to the story that must be factored in.
TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: evangelicals; hypocrisy; roymoore; sexscandles
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To: SeekAndFind
Was Moore convicted of something while I was napping?
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posted on
11/18/2017 2:50:07 PM PST
by
2ndDivisionVet
(You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
To: SeekAndFind
No.
"Beloved believe not every spirit but try the spirits to see if they are of God."
I weighed the evidence before me and made my judgement.
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posted on
11/18/2017 2:51:29 PM PST
by
Harmless Teddy Bear
(Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
11/18/2017 2:53:53 PM PST
by
semaj
(Audentes fortuna juvat: Fortune favors the bold. Be Bold FRiends.)
To: SeekAndFind
May the Lord rebuke whoever wrote this Article, and all in FR who agree with it. You are supporting the Demonrat Party by going along with the forgeries, the lies, and the false witnesses.
I am voting for Roy Moore on Dec 12th.
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posted on
11/18/2017 2:55:19 PM PST
by
backwoods-engineer
(Trump won; we got Gorsuch and a bit of MAGA. Likely have a civil war before we get more.)
To: TomServo
Is the hypocrite’s hypocrisy worse than the hypocrisy of the hypocrite he points the finger at?
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posted on
11/18/2017 2:56:22 PM PST
by
semaj
(Audentes fortuna juvat: Fortune favors the bold. Be Bold FRiends.)
To: TomServo
You lie. You are aiding and abetting the Demonrats.
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posted on
11/18/2017 2:56:23 PM PST
by
backwoods-engineer
(Trump won; we got Gorsuch and a bit of MAGA. Likely have a civil war before we get more.)
To: jmaroneps37
if the charges against Moore are true then what he did is terribly ugly and evilI do not get this.
Even if every single thing said about him is true, what is it said he did that is "terribly ugly and evil"?
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posted on
11/18/2017 2:56:26 PM PST
by
Jim Noble
(Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like)
To: SeekAndFind
If ethics didn’t matter we’d be democrats.
To: SeekAndFind
Christianity does not consider a courtship between a 32-year-old man and a 16-year-old girl to be a sin, as long as civil laws are not violated. Rather than a sin, it is seen as a good thing—two mature adults discerning whether they have a vocation to marry each other and try to bring new souls into the world, who are predestined to love God for all eternity in Heaven.
There’s nothing virtuous in the behavior alleged by the three allegations of misconduct (the 14yo, the yearbook/car incident, the groping), nor in the implied allegation of lying. With that said, there are contradictions in the story of the 14yo, the yearbook looks on balance to have been forged, the character of the witnesses is in question, the witnesses are not available for further questioning, there is no common modus operandi in the alleged crimes, and other than the yearbook there is no corroborating evidence of any sort, physical or testimonial. With control of trillions of dollars at stake in the election, it is difficult to take these sorts of claims at face value.
Now there is no law that says that you have to vote for a man if you disapprove of his dating choices. For example, Christianity says that interracial dating is a good thing, but many voters have in the past disapproved of that sort of thing.
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posted on
11/18/2017 3:02:00 PM PST
by
cmj328
(We live here.)
To: SeekAndFind
We have seen Moore’s character over the last several decades. We know what he stands for. We know what his opponents stand for. Its an easy choice.
The Anita Hill attack on Thomas was fraudulent. She worked for him for years and followed him from job to job. There was no evidence she had a problem until the ambush during his confirmation.
As for Moore and Trump, I would normally give the women the benefit of the doubt if they spoke up at some time other than days before an election after the ballots have been printed (in Moore’s case). And whatever Moore was 40 years ago, we know what he stands for now, and we know what his opponents stand for now.
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posted on
11/18/2017 3:02:05 PM PST
by
marron
To: TomServo
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posted on
11/18/2017 3:05:06 PM PST
by
APatientMan
(Pick a side)
To: SeekAndFind
Elections are always about comparative choices. Always. It is not hypocritical to support Roy Moore compared to an abortion-loving democrat ... even if the charges turned out to be true. There are degrees of bad.
To: All
moses
To: Rush Limbaugh
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:06 PM
Subject: Moore 2
Never Trumpers and drive by media radio talk hosts are having a field day ignoring the fact that all of the accusers were of the age of legal consent. Including the one claiming when 14 years old. For her accusations are the juiciest. Which they gleefully relate and dwell on in a touchy feel-ly manner as if it came off of a police report yesterday. Not as a unsubstantiated recollection from 40 years ago. Because they know these are damaging accusations which will be almost impossible to disprove.
Despite that fact that it has been uncovered that two of his accusers are working for the Perversion Party and that their accusations are false and politically motivated. The drivebys and the nevers media are not reporting this but are mentioning one accuser is a “Republican” .
Here is background on two accusers. One works for the perverts that one knows the one who claimed she was 14. But was actually 17 at the time? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3603606/posts
Latest charge : Grad book signature a forgery; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3604591/posts
someone named Roy signed it Moore’s last name was added to it. His legal secretary at the time he was a Circuit Court Judge declared it a forgery because her initials DA appear with his signature in that year book. Because she would do so to verify his signature only on his court rullings.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3605761/posts
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posted on
11/18/2017 3:10:56 PM PST
by
mosesdapoet
(Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin (not related to poster))
To: SeekAndFind
I’ve always said we’d face the same things we used as wedge issues. That day has come and gone.
To: SeekAndFind
Ask that potential Dem senator if he gives a s*it if they are.
Start voting like you actually want to stop the left, and tell the church ladies to go sit on it if they dont like it.
To: TomServo
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posted on
11/18/2017 3:24:32 PM PST
by
sauropod
(I am His and He is Mine)
To: TomServo
NOT AT ALL !
Read this:
ITS A FAKE!
Analyst Says Judge Roy Moore Signature Inside Gloria Allred Accusers Yearbook Was FORGED
The sevens in 1977 to the right of Christmas, are very different from the sevens in the date (12-22-77) above Old Hickory House.
Look at the two versions of the number 7, tweeted Wictor.
12-22-77 and Olde Hickory House were written by a different person, he added.
Next, [Thomas] Wictor points out the R and y in Roy, are not written the same way.
The inflection of the Y is more pronounced in Moore signature as Chief Justice. The R is noticeably longer in the signature of Chief Justice, as well.
During his legal career, Judge Moore became the first full-time Deputy District Attorney in Etowah County, Alabama, and served in this position from 1977 until 1982. In 1984, Judge Moore undertook private practice of law in Gadsden, Alabama, states Moores bio on his campaign website.
The accuser to this day calls him the District Attorney. He was NEVER District attorney. He was DEPUTY DA. DDA, says Wictor. ... "
Check out this little fact from
TheCipher Interesting revelation about the signature in the yearbook and where it probably came from.
Turns out Moore was the judge who ruled against Nelson in her divorce case and the signature is exactly how it was on his ruling - explains the D.A. ( which Nelson has ).
Nelson also said she never had contact with him since the "incident"and failed to mention he was the judge in her divorce case.Roy Moore Attorney Demands Gloria Allred Release Original Yearbook, Contends its a Fraud
" ... "D.A." (District Attorney) initials after Moores signature, was recognized by Moore as the initials that his then-assistant, Deborah Adams , used to sign documents. ... "
From
"TigerClaws" :
" ... But (exhibit 2) click on the image in the link.
You can clearly see two different color ink pens were used.
https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/status/930205088299257859
Here's that image and a link to its ORIGINAL source :
And heres one more source:
Live Stream: Moore Campaign Holding Press Conference
Furthermore, after Moore's signature are the initials "D.A.," which Nelson and her attorney say represented were written by Moore because he was district attorney at the time.
But Moore was an assistant district attorney, Jauregui said,
And Moore can't recall ever signing his name with the letters "D.A." after it.
But he had seen it before, Jauregui said, when he was on the bench.
His assistant stamped his signature on papers and then put "D.A." on them, Jauregui said.
That's exactly how the signature appears on the divorce decree that Moore signed, he added.
That's the THIRD Spelling of his assistant.
WHICH ONE IS CORRECT ?
Check out this little fact from
TheCipher Interesting revelation about the signature in the yearbook and where it probably came from.
Turns out Moore was the judge who ruled against Nelson in her divorce case and the signature is exactly how it was on his ruling - explains the D.A. ( which Nelson has ).
Nelson also said she never had contact with him since the "incident"and failed to mention he was the judge in her divorce case.Roy Moore Attorney Demands Gloria Allred Release Original Yearbook, Contends its a Fraud
" ... "D.A." (District Attorney) initials after Moores signature, was recognized by Moore as the initials that his then-assistant, Deborah Adams , used to sign documents. ... "
Heres one more source:
And heres a link to a DIFFERENT SPELLING of that name:
Roy Moore Campaign to Gloria Allred: Release the Evidence to Determine Whether There is Fraud
"
Judge Moore says he cant remember ever signing his name with DA after it.
But he had seen it before.
You know where he had seen it ?
When he was on the bench, his assistant whose initials are capital D. A. Delbra Adams would stamp his signature on a document and put capital D. A.
Thats exactly how this signature appears on the divorce decree that Judge Moore signed dismissing the divorce action of Beverly Nelson.
"
The more I search those different spellings of the assistant's name, the more I'm inclined to believe it was
Delbra Adams.
I get results for a
Court Specialist at State of Alabama Circuit Clerk's Office Cherokee County.
I also get results as a
certified public notary located in Sand Rock, AL.
And ... I get results for
Delbra Adams in Leesburg , AL. with a lot of A.K.A.s
Debra L Adams, Delbra M Adams, Debbie Adams, Debra Ly Adams, Delbra L Adams, Debble Adams, Debra Adams, Delbra Lynn Adams, Delbra L Admas
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posted on
11/18/2017 3:24:33 PM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: TomServo
Here's an excerpt from Rush Limbaugh's Radio Show:
The Swamp Demands Conformity
Nov 15, 2017
...
RUSH: Heres Mark in Port Townsend wheres Port Townsend ?
Port Townsend what?
CALLER: Thats a little bit west of Seattle.
RUSH: In Washington.
Okay. Great to have you with us.
How you doing, sir ?
CALLER: Im doing great, sir.
I hope youre doing well yourself.
RUSH: I am under siege today, Mark.
Im under siege.
The Drive-By Media is after me because I dared to point out that Roy Moore used to be a Democrat.
CALLER: Thats why you get paid the big bucks.
Im envious of you.
RUSH: (laughing).
CALLER: So the comment I wanted to make was that as a retired law enforcement officer, Jeff Sessions Im speaking as a retired law enforcement officer
Jeff Sessions says he doesnt see any reason to doubt these girls word.
Well, I see a really good reason.
None of these girls have been put under oath and made a sworn statement under penalty of perjury.
And Gloria Allred should be able to tell you that is the first thing you do when you get a client,
you depose them and you get their statement on the record,
and then you go from there.
And if theyre not willing to make a sworn statement, that sounds really fishy to me.
RUSH: I take it you dont believe the women
or you just dont have enough information yet to make a determination ?
CALLER: You dont have enough information to make a determination,
but speaking as an ex-cop, I find it fishy that nobody has made a sworn statement.
And about that yearbook thing,you know, when I was in uniform at a certain time of year
youd get kids walking up to you all the time wanting you to sign their yearbook.Hey, Officer Mark, sign my yearbook.
And I was only a cop.
Can you imagine how politicians get kids wanting doesnt mean you remember all of them.
RUSH: Hang on.
On the yearbook stuff, folks, for those of you who may not be up to speed on this and I doubt there are very many of you
there are allegations that some of these autographs in yearbooks are forged.
There are conservative blog sites claiming to have evidence by virtue of side-by-side comparison
that somebody other than Judge Moore signed some of these things.
This is the first Ive mentioned that.
Im just reacting to you bringing up the yearbooks.
Youre upset with Jeff Sessions.
Hes the attorney general, and he is going ahead and acknowledging thathe believes witnesses before anybodys been put under oath,
and you think thats a little unprofessional, right ?
CALLER: It sounds to me like hes just trying to tread carefully.
RUSH: Well, look, this is politics.
It has its own court, and its not a court of law.
CALLER: But these girls are making public statements
RUSH: They are women.
They are women.
CALLER: Okay, theyre making public statements impugning somebodys honor.
And somebody with responsibility needs to explain to them,if youre gonna besmirch somebody, you gotta put it on the record.
RUSH: No, you dont.
Only in court.
And this is not in court.
This is in politics.
CALLER: I understand its politics,
but Gloria Allred should know what the law is.
RUSH: Im sure she does.
Thats why shes not in court and is instead on TV.
CALLER: I just want to make that point, Rush.
Thank you.
RUSH: Im glad you called, Mark.
Folks, I have to tell you,Im having a little fun with this.
No, dont misunderstand here,
but hes exactly right, but of course that doesnt theres a whole different inertia and movement now that is taking place in the world of politics,
and there is no room for doubt.
I mean,the guy did it, you dont disbelieve the women.
I mean, thats something you must subscribe to now.The women dont lie,except if youre Juanita Broaddrick,
then of course
thats the point.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: I was having fun with the caller and his obvious consternationby confusing what happens in politics with what happens in the law,which is ironic,
because the laws are written by these people.
But what happens thereapparently the law doesnt matter first and foremost.
Find it funny.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: Steve in Rochester, Minnesota.
Great to have you with us, sir.
How are you ?
CALLER: Hey, good.
Thanks, Rush. Dittos.
Ive been listening since 1991.
So I was reading through a Fox News story on the various senators,Republican senators and their comments about this whole situation,
and I read read em one after another; there were many.
And I was thinking as I got most of the way through it,this sounds a lot like your media montages, vis-a-vis gravitas,
that I often hear on your show.
The similarities were striking in what they said.
And it was an observation that led me to think thatthis is really a coordinated attack.
And I think that should be the focus, not the he said, she said,
but the fact thatthis guys being attacked by the establishment, big time.
RUSH: Let me put it to you another way in the form of a question.
Interesting observation, by the way, that you,in reading and listening to all of the different people opposing Judge Moore,
theyre all saying the same thing, is that your point ?
Just like when Cheney was mentioned as the potential vice presidential nominee for George W. Bush,
about 85 media people all said,Thats gravitas.
This is to provide gravitas.
They all had that word.
You think the same things happening here with the response to Judge Moore ?
CALLER: Yes.
Exactly.
RUSH: Okay.
So do you think let me just ask you point-blank
do you think that, whether he did it or not, hes being railroaded ?
CALLER: Yes.
RUSH: Interesting.
CALLER: Yep. I think this is a coordinated attack,
and what spurred me to think thiswas your comments yesterday about Mitch McConnell attacking Bannons choice.
And I thoughthow else could you do this ?
Here we are a month away from the election.
RUSH: Let me tell you something.
I dont think theres any doubt here.
When Bannon went public and said thatJudge Moore was the first of many candidates theyre gonna support
in order to oust the Republican leadership,
I dont think theres any question here that McConnells reacting to that.
Let me just ask you this.Have any of you ever,
do you ever remember Mitch McConnell or the Republican leadership ever going after a Democrat
the way theyre going after (interruption)
You dont remember.
You dont remember McConnell ever going after a Democrat the way theyre going after
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posted on
11/18/2017 3:24:48 PM PST
by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: VanDeKoik
Yep, this is why the culture war has been lost. Play to win, not muh principles...while the left laughs and goes about destroying everything they can.
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posted on
11/18/2017 3:27:30 PM PST
by
Chipper
(You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
11/18/2017 3:33:03 PM PST
by
af_vet_1981
(The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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