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To: Olog-hai

“Just let Obamacare collapse, then challenge the Democrats to come in and help us fix the mess they created,”

How idiotic is this? Didn’t the libs create the monster in the first place? The main threat to the Health Care Act is that it creates an environment of dependency. Before Obama took office in 2009, the level of haves and have nots was 52/48 haves. Before he left office, it was the opposite where the 46 was financing the 54. And once you start down that road of creating political prostitutes of everyone you can trap into it, they are no longer able to fend for themselves. So, sooner or later, they will have to live with the beast or die because if the beast dies, no one will have the scraps to eat.

Since the conservatives allowed themselves to get us into this spot, they can’t completely kill the beast that is so all controlling. They will have to create a tamer beast to provide enough until we can get rid of the beast altogether.

They need to create a plan that transitions us from what we are stuck with now, to one that, in time, is more geared to our own determination based upon capacity. If we can’t get care to all the illegals, so be it. The medical treatment of people is one of the reasons we don’t want them in here. We can’t afford it.

Things like free birth control, viagra/cialis, or drugs that are recreation in their use are no longer available for free. They should be pay for play. Now this doesn’t mean that they will not be available, it just means the user foots the bill. Now if the user has insurance they wish to pay for in its entirety, then they can get care at hospital ER’s or doctors office. Keep me out of the bill. No free loaders.

Healthcare is not any more or less important that employment, housing, transportation, education, and a whole list of others that are a free ticket right now for too many that don’t want to help themselves. We have become a welfare state and the health care act is part of it.

I’m tired of paying for people that don’t help themselves because they don’t have to. Don’t let them. Take it away slow, but take it away. And allowing the HCA to eat itself, is only going to create a new wave of dependency that only the states can provide. Then because the death of the HCA provided the libs with taking control of the people in socialism as it died and the conservatives will be blamed by the media for the serious health care problems its loss created, welcome to big brother.

And it all started because the term heath maintenence was lied about from the libs through the media. And the conservatives allowed it to happen without firing a shot. I just hope Trump, in his don’t care do it right attitude, can handle the onslaught. It’s being porepared now and it will be delivered.

red


48 posted on 03/24/2017 9:49:13 AM PDT by Redwood71
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To: Redwood71
By “conservatives”, are you saying “Republicans” instead? Very few actual conservatives in that party. Been that way since the end of WWII.
The New Deal, Dean Acheson wrote approvingly in a book called A Democrat Looks At His Party, “conceived of the federal government as the whole people organized to do what had to be done.” A year later, Mr. (Arthur) Larson wrote A Republican Looks At His Party, and made much the same claim in his book for modern Republicans. The “underlying philosophy” of the New Republicanism, said Mr. Larson, is that “if a job has to be done to meet the needs of the people, and no one else can do it, then it is the proper function of the federal government.”

Here we have, by prominent spokesmen of both political parties, an unqualified repudiation of the principle of limited government. There is no reference by either of them to the Constitution, or any attempt to define the legitimate functions of government. The government can do whatever needs to be done; note, too, the implicit but necessary assumption that it is the government itself that determines what needs to be done. We must not, I think, underrate the importance of these statements. They reflect the view of a majority of the leaders of one of our parties, and of a strong minority among the leaders of the other, and they propound the first principle of totalitarianism: that the State is competent to do all things and is limited in what it actually does only by the will of those who control the State. …

The Conscience of a Conservative (1960), Chapter 2, page 15
The Republicans are merely the Emmanuel Goldstein to the Democrats’ Big Brother.
51 posted on 03/24/2017 9:56:48 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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