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German opposition leader calls for security union with Russia, dissolution of NATO [Die Linke]
Deutsche Welle ^ | 01.17.2017 | Lewis Sanders IV

Posted on 01/17/2017 8:49:06 PM PST by Olog-hai

German opposition leader Sahra Wagenknecht on Tuesday added her voice to calls to dissolve the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in the wake of US President-elect Donald Trump’s controversial remarks concerning the military alliance.

“NATO must be dissolved and replaced by a collective security system including Russia,” Wagenknecht told Germany’s “Funke” media group.

Wagenknecht, who leads the opposition Left Party in parliament, added that comments made by the future US president “mercilessly reveal the mistakes and failures of the [German] federal government.” …

(Excerpt) Read more at dw.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Russia
KEYWORDS: dielinke; eussr; germany; molotovribbentrop; nato; russia; trump
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This is the East German Communist Party, and when they try to invoke Trump in a nice manner, they certainly have the knife behind their backs ready to stab. Cannot trust them.
1 posted on 01/17/2017 8:49:06 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I agree with that, but this will toss terror into the mix as the German government realizes they’ve tried to play a game they cannot win.

Merkel is ripping her nation apart.


2 posted on 01/17/2017 8:55:03 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, Clinton, McStain, and Graham, with people like this, who needs enemies?)
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To: DoughtyOne

They all think like Marx though; that they believe they can “stride through the wreckage a creator”. Some may be able to take advantage of the chaos to create a new tyranny, but at what cost, is the question.


3 posted on 01/17/2017 8:57:39 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
If the German communists get together with the Soviets... er, Russians, they can call it Eurasia! (1984 reference)
4 posted on 01/17/2017 9:01:30 PM PST by free-in-nyc (Freeping from the heart of the occupation)
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t know what to make of what they always reference as “far right” players over there. It would no more surprise me that some of these folks are normal reasoned people who don’t like what is happening to their nation, than it would if they truly are NAZI rejects.

This is what Merkel was wound up foisting off on the nation with her terrible goals. Folks can’t trust her, and are willing to go elsewhere for relief.

Will they choose well? I don’t know. They shouldn’t have to go this route to get things fixed.

We could have done a lot worse than Trump here too. We lucked out IMO.


5 posted on 01/17/2017 9:06:02 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, Clinton, McStain, and Graham, with people like this, who needs enemies?)
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To: Olog-hai
Germany's Left Party has previously called for warmer ties with Russia and scrapping the security alliance, measures which appear to be policy concerns for the incoming US administration.

I can confirm that this impulse to break Germany away from the United States and attach it to Russia is more widespread than most Americans are likely aware. The "undiplomatic" expressions of Donald Trump and the recent interview only play into the popular image here in Germany that he is a buffoon and an ignoramus. I cannot emphasize enough the depth of this feeling among people who do not even begin to understand why Brixet succeeded in England.

Trump is perhaps speaking this way because he is thinking of making his deal and he is staking out an opening negotiating position. But he must understand that the popular understanding of himself, at least here in Germany, is as I have described. Remember, there is no talk radio here, it is as though everything comes from CNN.

Some of this impulse arises from a desire to do away with the sanctions against Russia and exploit the land as a market, just as Trump has described Germany using the European Union, or as a substitute for the Mercantile policy of the British Empire or the aspirations of Hitler to dominate Europe.

As I tried to describe in two previous replies :

Grand Strategy Comes To The Oil Patch

And

here

An attachment of Germany to Russia, combined with China, would be the ultimate strategic catastrophe for America.


6 posted on 01/17/2017 9:11:39 PM PST by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: DoughtyOne

Bingo! This is Merkel’s baby.


7 posted on 01/17/2017 9:14:43 PM PST by Bogie
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To: nathanbedford

Russia isn’t going to attache itself to a country undergoing voluntary Islamification.


8 posted on 01/17/2017 9:15:20 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Maybe the Russians can send some of their Muslims to Germany since the Germans like them so much. How about some Chechens, Merky?


9 posted on 01/17/2017 9:18:39 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Olog-hai
Putin was stationed in E. Germany for a long time. He must know this neighborhood inside and out. According to a news report I once read, he is a guy who could speak every German dialect.
10 posted on 01/17/2017 9:24:07 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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Russia isn’t going to attache itself to a country undergoing voluntary Islamification.

So Russia attached itself to Iran because Iran had already been Islamified?


11 posted on 01/17/2017 9:26:22 PM PST by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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To: Bogie

It’s easy to say the German people deserve what they get, but we didn’t deserve what we got from Obama.

No nation deserves what these leaders are foisting off on them.

They make me dream of high branches and short ropes.


12 posted on 01/17/2017 9:28:05 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, Clinton, McStain, and Graham, with people like this, who needs enemies?)
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To: DoughtyOne

and Italy, in 1945


13 posted on 01/17/2017 9:29:34 PM PST by Right-wing Librarian
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To: nathanbedford

Good point.


14 posted on 01/17/2017 9:29:45 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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NATO no longer shares a common goal with United States.

Europe is actively importing Islam which is definitively the enemy of the West. And that’s not to condemn the individual born into the heresy of Islam. But nonetheless, Western Europe is proactively destroying itself, persecuting its citizens during the process.


15 posted on 01/17/2017 9:30:18 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Right-wing Librarian

I agree.

When leadership goes South it is amazing how much they can get away with before things settle.

Look at what I consider to be our present traitor in chief.

Who stood up to the guy? NOBODY


16 posted on 01/17/2017 9:31:48 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, Clinton, McStain, and Graham, with people like this, who needs enemies?)
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To: nathanbedford

Russia has oil, Germany has manufactured products, win-win.

Putin is dangerous, mostly because of the nuclear threat. Russia can be a limited ally, if we have intelligent leaders who know what can be negotiated and the line where Putin can and can’t be trusted. Per Reagan: trust but verify. Russia is not threatening to move 3 million young adult male Mohammedans into Europe. Erdogan (Turkey) is.


17 posted on 01/17/2017 9:35:15 PM PST by bIlluminati (Balance the budget. Defund the Left!)
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To: nathanbedford

Good point. I still say that one of these days Russia is going to pay a heavy price for backing Islamic nations.

If Russia thinks Iran won’t sell it out at the drop of a ruble, I think they’re dead wrong.

Russia stands an even chance with the U.S. of being the target of Iran’s nukes when they are fully functional.

I guess they don’t remember Belsan very well.


18 posted on 01/17/2017 9:37:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, Clinton, McStain, and Graham, with people like this, who needs enemies?)
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To: nathanbedford
An interesting situation you are describing here:

Trump disses Merkel for her refugee policy and anti-Russian posture.

Many Germans get angry at Trump and want to join with Russia.

In the end, they end up agreeing with Trump by embracing Russia.

But they still hate Trump and U.S.

The only common denominator of this development and German reactions in the past is a deep-seated resentment against U.S. They always viewed Americans as bunch of ignoramuses who do not deserve to have such a great power. Trump is a kind of caricature they always project onto Americans.

19 posted on 01/17/2017 9:39:09 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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To: bIlluminati

>Russia has oil, Germany has manufactured products, win-win.

Russia won’t go for that deal. Putin’s done the math and Russia only returns to great economic power status by restoring thier indrusty base. Anything else leaves Germany in the driver’s seat.


20 posted on 01/17/2017 9:40:56 PM PST by RedWulf (TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP!)
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