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Michigan Teen Challenging Warrantless Breathalyzer Law
NBC News ^ | 08 June 2016 | Corky Siemaszko

Posted on 06/08/2016 1:29:44 PM PDT by Theoria

A Michigan teen who was ticketed — as a passenger — for balking at taking a Breathalyzer test says that she refused because the detective did not have a warrant.

Now 17-year-old Casey Guthrie has filed a federal lawsuit against the cop who slapped her with the $100 citation last month.

The honor student is also challenging the constitutionality of a Michigan law that makes it a civil infraction for anybody under age 21 to refuse a police officer's request to blow into the device — and does not require the cop to produce a warrant.

"No adequate remedy exists at law to redress this unconstitutional policy, practice, and/or custom," the lawsuit states.

The law violates Guthrie's Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches, her Detroit lawyer told NBC News.

"Her rights were violated when she was forced to submit to Breathalyzer to prove her innocence," attorney Mike Rataj said. "That is not how the criminal justice system works. This is a girl who has never been in trouble before and has no criminal history."

"Also, she was not the driver," Rataj noted. "She was a passenger in a car with a bunch of other high school seniors."

Rataj added that Guthrie's father is a retired ATF officer who had warned her earlier never to submit to a Breathalyzer without a warrant . He said Guthrie's dad arrived at the scene after Detective Kenneth Pelland of the Gross Isle Township police pulled the car over last month.

"She called her father," Rataj said. "This particular officer is notorious for intimidating kids... The officer lied and said he smelled alcohol on her."

There was no immediate response to Rataj's charge or the lawsuit from Township Supervisor Brian Loftus or from Pelland.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: 5thamendment; breathalyzer; caseyguthrie; dui; dwi; fifthamendment; michigan; warrant
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To: humblegunner

Haven’t you been paying attention? That’s all the rage lately.


21 posted on 06/08/2016 1:56:20 PM PDT by sipow
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To: T-Bone Texan

Same thing happens when a cop is beating the s%#t out of someone while screaming stop resisting.


22 posted on 06/08/2016 2:01:23 PM PDT by soupbone1
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To: Theoria

Here is a better one. You are a passenger in a car when the driver gets pulled over. You are over 21, and you have been out drinking and your driver is the designated sober driver. the cop ask you to step out of the car, when you do, he arrest you for public intoxication. As long as you are in the car, no violation exist, but, the moment you step out, you are in public.


23 posted on 06/08/2016 2:04:56 PM PDT by eastforker (The only time you can be satisfied is when your all Trump.)
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To: humblegunner

“How did you change “her” into “him”? “

Happens all the time these days, where have you been?


24 posted on 06/08/2016 2:06:00 PM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: Theoria

You go, girl!


25 posted on 06/08/2016 2:11:21 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Rhino54

You live on Grosse Ile?

I lived on Meridian (twice), Vogt, and East River.

Used to be a nice, easy going community. But really started to go down hill governmentally about the time they tried to Eminent Domain the private Toll Bridge.

Guess it hasn’t gotten any better!


26 posted on 06/08/2016 2:12:23 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: humblegunner
"How did you change "her" into "him"?

It's done by a procedure known as a Reverse Jenner.

27 posted on 06/08/2016 2:15:45 PM PDT by capt. norm (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat!<)
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To: capt. norm

or, as Limbaugh would call it, an addidictomy.

Boy, did I get this thread WAY off track with a simple mistake!


28 posted on 06/08/2016 2:26:58 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: T-Bone Texan

Excellent advice, FRiend. I will definitely keep that technique you suggested in mind.
In the past, I typically pulled far off shoulder, lowered all windows, engaged flashers, and turned-off vehicle ignition.
Contemporary jackbooted, steroid-pumping police do not seem to even acknowledge this courtesy, concern for their safety, plus my willingness to be friendly.


29 posted on 06/08/2016 2:29:23 PM PDT by Blue Jays
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To: Blue Jays

It was her Dad who was giving her good advise.

Young folks have always been cop targets btw and those with heavy badges routinely have their way with many young folks simply because they don’t know the law, or what to say or not say and have little knowledge of their basic rights.


30 posted on 06/08/2016 2:30:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: humblegunner

OK, Zer....


31 posted on 06/08/2016 2:31:49 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: T-Bone Texan
It is the cop's opinion, which has no value legally, and is used to terrorize citizens.

I'm not a lawyer, but from my limited experience in the courtroom, a judge will treat a cop's opinion as if it were fact. I went to traffic court some years ago, and argued that the cop couldn't have measured my speed actually with radar (around a curve, trees in the way, both moving etc. admittedly it was a long shot) and the judge simply smiled at the cop and said that the cops are trained to estimate speed visually, so he couldn't have been wrong. BAM next case. I didn't expect to win, but I was shocked that the ruling was, essentially, "cops are never wrong".

I am also aware of the "don't talk to the police" mantra that defense lawyers swear by, as a cop on the witness stand is given greater weight than us regular citizens.
32 posted on 06/08/2016 2:59:47 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Theoria

The courts have already ruled i favor or warrantless searches.
We have DUI check points regularly in Pennsylvania. If you turn off to avoid the wait because you are on your way to work or on your way home from work and tired, too bad, you get arrested for “avoiding the checkpoint” Don’t drink at all. Doesn’t matter. You still get checked.


34 posted on 06/08/2016 3:16:23 PM PDT by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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To: JimRed

So what your telling us is all a cop has to do is lie.
“of course your honor; I smelled alcohol or I noticed he was unsteady on his feet”.
So without a measureable test or video tape I am still guilty.


35 posted on 06/08/2016 3:23:39 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Theoria

She won’t win this one

Worse she was probably drinking under aged and just doesn’t want the consequences


36 posted on 06/08/2016 3:37:36 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: 5th MEB
So without a measureable test or video tape I am still guilty.

No, that is cause to do the test.

37 posted on 06/08/2016 3:38:34 PM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: pierrem15
Largely a result of the idiocy of treating 18-20 year olds as though they were minors regarding alcohol, but adults regarding everything else.

BINGO!!! I live in a silly state that considers 17 year olds to be adult.

38 posted on 06/08/2016 3:42:22 PM PDT by BBell (calm down and eat your sandwiches)
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To: Bartholomew Roberts

I lived on Ferry Road until they started taxing my pension. I now live in Tennessee. The person responsible for the bridge fiasco was Kurt Kajobilac who was a lawyer. He also sued the contractor for the updated sewer system which cost GI big time. There is a good reason it’s called Fantasy Island.


39 posted on 06/08/2016 3:49:00 PM PDT by Rhino54
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To: Rhino54

That’s right. And the young, blonde mayor who gave up the City Building to the Post Office. For pennies on the dollar.

They were quite the crew.

(They also put my FBO and flying instructor out of business at the airport so they could move in.)


40 posted on 06/08/2016 4:00:01 PM PDT by Bartholomew Roberts
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