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To: Moseley

The logical fallacies of your position are endless. Winston Churchill was born in Great Britain to MP Lord Randolph Churchill and a natural born US citizen mother, Jennie Jerome. After she married Randolph, She took up residence in Great Britain, where prior to the passage of the Independent Woman’s Nationality Act, she was unable to pass on US citizenship to her child.

Even though Winston Churchill was born under the auspices of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1854, I suspect that you would maintain that had that Act been worded as the Immigration Act of 1952 was (which governed Cruz) the framers would have been just fine with the former PRIME MINISTER of GREAT BRITAIN being elected POTUS. There was a small faction in the US advocating for this after he lost the postwar PM election. (BTW, he probably would have made a good president, certainly better than another Brit subject at birth, Barack Obama) They would be spinning in their graves so fast at such a notion that they would burst to the surface.


671 posted on 04/12/2016 7:01:54 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank

The Constitution does not say what you WANT or what I WANT>

The Constitution says what it says.

That is a major part of the brain damage here.

IT doesn’t matter whether you like it or don’t like it.

It only matters what the document SAYS.

Under the Constitution, if Winston Churchill had lived in the United States for 14 years — he did not — and if the law defining citizenship at the time had made him a US citizen — it did not, it was different than the law passed in 1952, and if his mother had lived for 10 years in the United States, 5 of those years over the age of 14 — she did not as far as I am aware,

then Winston Church would be eligible to be President of the United States.

Do you like that? WHO CARES? Do you approve? WHO CARES? The Constitution says what it says whether you like it or not.

But of course if Winston Churchill claimed US citizenship from birth, he would be rejecting citizenship in the United Kingdom.

So he could ONLY run in the United States.

He COULD NOT be an elected official at any level in the United Kingdom.

Like my sister who was born in Panama, in the same hospital Gorgas Hospital, as John McCain,

NOTE: Gorgas Hospital is NOT on U.S. soil, it is not on the base or U.S. territory,

who had to choose whether to claim U.S. citizenship or Panamanian citizenship and had to disclaim Panamanian citizenship when she was an adult and old enough to make legal decisions,

Winston Churchill would have forfeited any claim to be a UK citizen if he claimed U.S. citizenship.

My sister flew with us as a family to Europe on a US PASSPORT as young as 5 years old, even though she was born in Panama.

My sister can run for President if she wants.


674 posted on 04/12/2016 7:11:11 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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To: DMZFrank

By contrast, your beloved Vattel — who nobody takes seriously, not even in his home country of France — argues that a man CAN be the prince or head of many countries at once.

So under Vattel’s “Law of Nations” Winston Churchill COULD be simultaneously Prime Minister of Great Britain and President of the United States — both at the same time.

That’s why it is so laughable that people try to prop up Vattel as if any one cares what Vattel says.


675 posted on 04/12/2016 7:15:20 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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