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To: silverleaf

Actually what Cruz wants or thinks has very little to do with it. If you think about this it makes sense, the USSC has said that citizenship is a matter of law from each country. If Canada chooses to recognize everyone born in Canada as a citizen, then it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. All that matters is US law. It would be inappropriate to vary the definition as it applies in the US depending on what other countries laws may be.

I know a lot of people here get all twisted up over these things, but you can be a natural born American and still be a citizen of many other countries at the same time with no control over it. With America attracting people from all over the world its going to be the case more and more. Take an example of an Algerian man who moved as a teenager with his family to France, who then as an adult moved to the US. Further, say there is an Indian born woman who moved to UK as a teen before moving here for education, where she met the man. They marry and become naturalized US citizens. They start a family, and take a day trip to Canada but get in a car accident in Canada. To save the baby, doctors induce labor at 7 months. I know this sounds far fetched but its just an example and not really an impossible one (Cruz’ living family members have similarly convoluted journeys). So this baby born prematurely would technically hold American, Canadian, French, Algerian, Indian and British citizenships simultaneously, depending on the laws in each country (some do not accept matrilineal descent, others not only allow it but insist it can never be renounced which means that even great great great grandchildren will technically be recognized as citizens of a foreign land). It is impossible for a person to control what other countries choose to recognize.

To keep it simple, I see it as natural born means you acquired it at birth per the Constitution and naturalized means you are given citizenship through other means, as a matter of law passed by Congress which can change over time. Freepers are arguing it obviously, but seems to me Cruz was natural born. He did not have to take action to obtain US citizenship, and no act if Congress applies to his citizenship. US citizenship is his by birthright born to American parents. The other countries laws don’t really matter to the question of whether he is natural born. He may be natural born citizen of many countries. To people who say he is naturalized I ask, under which process of naturalization created by congress did Cruz obtain citizenship? Did he have a swearing-in ceremony? Did he fill out any forms to apply for it?


307 posted on 04/10/2016 5:35:50 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

This is a lot of speculation and there are a lot of things we do not know and need to know

WAS HIS MOTHER AN AMERICAN CITIZEN....AT THE TIME HE WAS BORN IN CANADA??

That is a big assumption you are making based on what..., and most people are making .....thay you saw her ‘birth certificate” on the internet? CBS New right? The same folks that published the Bush AWOL papers on the internet?

and there are questions about his whole family history that need to be absolutely vetted or we have another Obama

and any man who would deliberately hide or commit fraud about his life history is not trustworthy to be the POTUS and any man who has a big enough network of dark support to assist in hiding or suppressing the truth should NOT be the POTUS

For a guy is so big and smart about using “the rules”
to worm his way to the nomination, he and his parents dont seem to have used “the rules” to register his birth as an American when he was born abroad. Because what if ....his mother didn’t register him at birth as an American because she had become a Canadian citizen? And given up her American citizenship? A completely innocuous action back then- since her husband was Canadian- and not thinking that her child would ever want to become POTUS

Now the immigration records from when Ted was brought to the to the US would prove if his mother was still a US citizen and registered him as such- but as I understand they immigration records and those of his mother are also sealed

If everything in his past records and those of his mother was open and transparent we could figure it out and so could a court

But in this case .....HE IS NOT AN HONEST PERSON and NOT JUST ABOUT HIS EXTRAMARITAL SEX LIFE


315 posted on 04/10/2016 5:57:13 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: monkeyshine

“If you think about this it makes sense, the USSC has said that citizenship is a matter of law from each country. If Canada chooses to recognize everyone born in Canada as a citizen, then it doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks. All that matters is US law. It would be inappropriate to vary the definition as it applies in the US depending on what other countries laws may be.”

That’s correct. Imagine if Mexico, in an attempt to further the recovery of former Mexican lands, declared by statute passed tomorrow that everyone born on former Mexican territory is a Mexican citizen.

Would all of those people lose their US citizenship just because Mexico declares them to be citizens of Mexico?


391 posted on 04/10/2016 10:44:46 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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