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A Solar Power Plant vs. A Natural Gas Power Plant: Capital Cost – Apples to Apples
wattsupwiththat.com ^ | April 1, 2016 | Guest essay by Philip Dowd

Posted on 04/01/2016 8:04:15 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Using 4% interest rates (typical corporate bond), solar cost is $0.057 (5.7 cents) per kilowatt hour more than the natty plant.

It’s a ridiculous comparison. The solar plant has a huge footprint, no one is allowing new pumped storage to be built, no one wants power lines in rural areas where solar must be sited.

Natural gas costs (real cheap now), solar is free, but solar collectors need cleaning by the acre, must stand up to storms, and will be down during extended cloudy periods.

Electricity must be reliable. Green energy is not reliable and is of limited value as an electricity source.


21 posted on 04/01/2016 10:44:19 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Dated an Ivy league MBA woman who adamantly insisted that the reason we weren’t exclusively using solar power was because of big business republicans and we weren’t trying hard enough.
The relationship did not last long because she could not tell a watt from a tw@t.


22 posted on 04/01/2016 10:51:51 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Don’t forget, many PV fields generate tremendously dirty power, when inverting the DC power to AC. It’s much easier to generate clean High Voltage from rotating generators.

Additionally, the more distributed we become on generation facilities, the more complex the overcurrent protection and coordination becomes. We’ll see more power outages from difficult to analyze faults over the next 10 years from all the larger DC applications being added to the grid.


23 posted on 04/01/2016 10:57:19 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A pumped storage unit is being built in Montana

http://www.gordonbuttepumpedstorage.com/";

The cynic in me expects someone to stock it with fish and have it shut down. Other than that scenario, it will be interesting to follow.


24 posted on 04/01/2016 11:14:17 PM PDT by This_far
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To: tallyhoe
Solar Panels=Crispy Critters!!!!

Seriously? You think the panels pictured pose a threat to birds?

25 posted on 04/02/2016 4:34:17 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (Go Ted Cruz)
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To: fireman15

And get rid of ISIS.


26 posted on 04/02/2016 5:13:41 AM PDT by pas
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I think the perfect solution to our electrical generation problem is to have the prisoners in all jails, prisons and those in welfare lines crank WW-II “Gibson Girl” generators all day long to power the grid.

That will give them something constructive to do and we will benefit from their punishments. What a deal!


27 posted on 04/02/2016 6:11:10 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m just interested - do you know the O&M for each? The feedstock for the gas? The land size for the solar?


28 posted on 04/02/2016 6:47:10 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: vette6387

Hey, what’s a few fried birds if you are making the correct political statement?


29 posted on 04/02/2016 6:56:52 AM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: TigersEye

Indeed.


30 posted on 04/02/2016 9:57:01 AM PDT by pluvmantelo (Barack Obama-gleefully bringing taharrush gamea to your neighborhood)
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To: MarchonDC09122009
ROFL!

I am seeing a Hillary Fan ....

I know the feeling.

31 posted on 04/02/2016 10:59:55 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: This_far

Keep us posted!


32 posted on 04/02/2016 11:03:22 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: TangoLimaSierra

They have already documented such.. As the birds fly over the solar farm they get burnt to a crisp!!!


33 posted on 04/02/2016 1:06:46 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2016/03/28/why-green-energy-means-no-energy/#4627dbe16c1e


34 posted on 04/02/2016 3:43:48 PM PDT by Ozark Tom (Trump- may his success be measured against Charles "The Hammer" Martel)
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To: Organic Panic

Molten metal battery:

http://phys.org/news/2016-01-battery-molten-metals-low-cost-long-lasting.html


35 posted on 04/02/2016 3:47:25 PM PDT by Ozark Tom (Trump- may his success be measured against Charles "The Hammer" Martel)
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To: Ozark Tom

Molten metal battery:

Operative word “MAY”


36 posted on 04/02/2016 5:40:23 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: tallyhoe
They have already documented such.. As the birds fly over the solar farm they get burnt to a crisp!!!

Not from the type here. These are passive solar panels. You are thinking of the mirror type fields that direct beams to a tower.

37 posted on 04/02/2016 7:46:39 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (Go Ted Cruz)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

here is something from the California Mojave Desert Solar farm..

https://weather.com/science/news/solar-plants-birds-20140818


38 posted on 04/02/2016 11:26:02 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: tallyhoe
here is something from the California Mojave Desert Solar farm..

Yes. Exactly what I told you. Using mirrors to reflect the sun to towers. That will fry birds.
Not the passive panels we were discussing in this thread.

39 posted on 04/03/2016 4:54:23 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (Go Ted Cruz)
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