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Cop: I couldn’t save shooting victim because NYPD helped me cheat on CPR test
New York Post ^ | February 4, 2016 | Emily Saul

Posted on 02/06/2016 1:46:26 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments

The partner of rookie cop Peter Liang told Brooklyn jurors Thursday that he himself was unqualified to resuscitate the man Liang accidently shot in a housing-project stairwell — because the Police Academy lets ­recruits cheat on their CPR- certification tests.

So he did nothing to help the dying victim.

“How much time [during training] did you spend on a mannequin?” the partner, Shaun Landau, was asked by Liang’s defense lawyer, ­Robert E. Brown.

“Not sure,” Landau ad­mitted.

“Less than two minutes?” the lawyer asked.

“Yes,” Landau answered.

Jurors learned Thursday that nothing could have saved unarmed Akai Gurley from the bullet that ricocheted off a stairwell wall and pierced his heart, killing him in minutes.

Still, both Landau and ­Liang failed to try to resuscitate the 28-year-old Gurley as he bled to death in East New York’s Pink Houses in November 2014, instead leaving his hysterical girlfriend to do chest compressions, jurors were told.

“But you’re certified in CPR?” Brown asked Landau.

“Yes,” the partner answered nervously.

“And at that moment you didn’t know what to do?”

“Yes,” Landau answered.

Landau, the star prosecution witness, who testified against his partner under an immunity deal, could wind up helping Liang.

Landau said the NYPD’s CPR training was so lax, ­instructors handed out the questions and answers in advance of the written certification exam.

“You were fed the questions and the answers?” Brown asked. “Correct,” Landau replied.

A defense witness, Officer John Funk, later backed Landau’s claim, telling jurors CPR training was equally lacking when he and Liang attended the same 2013 academy class. Some 300 ­recruits crowded into an auditorium with just eight mannequins, and everyone passed, Funk said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: cpr; leo; nypd; rescue
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So, with their CPR training a fraud, you'd think they might dial 911. Nope. They immediately dialed their union rep and talked for 6+ minutes while the guy bled to death. At least they learned THAT part of their training!
1 posted on 02/06/2016 1:46:26 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments
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To: Forgotten Amendments

A sad deterioration continues.

Surely some day that excuse all card is going to wear out? Some day?


2 posted on 02/06/2016 1:54:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
BOGUS excuse. We taught kids as young as 1st and 2nd graders how to do Heimlich/CPR when I worked with the EMS.

An adult gets the basics in minutes, and while they may not do it "perfectly", it can still make the difference between life and death. These guys just didn't want to do it...or they believed the guy was injured in a way that CPR wouldn't have done any good.

3 posted on 02/06/2016 1:57:41 PM PST by TXSearcher (Longtime Lurker......now a newbie)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

(Sorry about the squiggly stuff)


4 posted on 02/06/2016 1:58:00 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (Nessie ... Sasquatch ... The Free Syrian Army ...)
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The Red Cross doesn’t give an exam. You show the instructor what you have been taught to pass the class.

You are given an example of a lifeless person and go from there.

This guy is the ultimate on weak.


5 posted on 02/06/2016 2:02:38 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: Forgotten Amendments

I wasn’t there and I am not a doctor. I have given CPR to a gun shot wound victim (head shot, suicide) and I can tell you it is one of the most harrowing things I’ve ever done. You are delivering compressions, and with each one more gray matter is exiting the head wound. Felt like I was making it worse, but had to continue until the Paramedics arrived.

On top of all of that we worked the same precinct.

These guys should have been assigned to partner with an older, seasoned veteran Officer.


6 posted on 02/06/2016 2:07:06 PM PST by tenthirteen
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To: Forgotten Amendments

You have be pretty stupid to fail CPR training. It’s a very EASY course especially since they simplified it.


7 posted on 02/06/2016 2:17:51 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (It's the apocalypse, lets have some fun!)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

“Jurors learned Thursday that nothing could have saved unarmed Akai Gurley from the bullet that ricocheted off a stairwell wall and pierced his heart, killing him in minutes.”

First aid wouldn’t have saved this person.


8 posted on 02/06/2016 2:19:29 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Somebody needed help to pass a CPR test?! They’ve got bigger problems than a training deficiency


9 posted on 02/06/2016 2:20:07 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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10 posted on 02/06/2016 2:22:26 PM PST by DoughtyOne (the Free Republic Caucus: what FReepers are thinking, 100s or 1000s of them. It's up to you.)
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This is lke many of us in Viet Nam who were never taught how to put a bullet or magazine in a rifle and never taught how to shoot a rifle. But we had the MOS of rifleman.


11 posted on 02/06/2016 2:23:55 PM PST by spintreebob
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So, with their CPR training a fraud, you'd think they might dial 911. Nope. They immediately dialed their union rep and talked for 6+ minutes while the guy bled to death.

Ha..reminds me of the ambulance guys in UK that responded to a heart attack victim.

They went into his apartment...commented on the rubbish lying around ...and drunk his beer from the frig.....problem was that the heart attack victim passed out the floor....but the phone was hanging and recorded the conversation...including.."I guess it's time to transport him to the morgue."

12 posted on 02/06/2016 2:32:43 PM PST by spokeshave (Happy Christmas and a New Year that Trumps all.)
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To: TXSearcher

My exact thought.


13 posted on 02/06/2016 2:35:10 PM PST by zek157
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To: Forgotten Amendments

CPR isnt going to save someone with a bleeding heart gunshot wound.

They are going to bleed out in a couple minutes.

Surprised this line of questioning was even allowed by the lawyers.


14 posted on 02/06/2016 3:07:09 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: tenthirteen

It depends on the wound and where it is if cpr wil be effective or not.


15 posted on 02/06/2016 3:08:01 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Because, unless they themselves knew what the injury was, they were duty bound to act on the assumption of the best.


16 posted on 02/06/2016 3:15:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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An arterial bleed is just different than a wound that isn’t one.


17 posted on 02/06/2016 4:00:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: TXSearcher

CPR wouldn’t have helped and if anything, may have made it worse, with each compression further shredding cardiac tissue on the fragments. This dude was dead from the second he was hit, just took a few minutes to realize it.


18 posted on 02/06/2016 4:14:57 PM PST by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: spintreebob

“This is lke many of us in Viet Nam who were never taught how to put a bullet or magazine in a rifle and never taught how to shoot a rifle. But we had the MOS of rifleman.”

Good grief! I was in the Navy then and even we went to the range.


19 posted on 02/06/2016 4:21:38 PM PST by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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McNamara micro-managed the Viet Nam war when I was there. He and LBJ and the Whiz kids really believed that if you throw enough money at a problem you are bound to solve it.

He took that same philosophy to the World Bank/IMF.


20 posted on 02/06/2016 4:54:37 PM PST by spintreebob
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