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To: MamaTexan

“I doubt the Founders thought exceptions had to be made. If they had, they wouldn’t have used the term natural born. they would have just said citizen:

What you posted to me from Vattel contradicts what you just said. That’s the problem with your argument, if they valued what Vattel said then they considered exceptions.

As for your shouting that Natural Born has been clearly defined, please cite all the cases which meet the criteria unique to this case, that are settled law


140 posted on 01/18/2016 8:41:36 PM PST by Dstorm (Cruz 2016)
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To: Dstorm
What you posted to me from Vattel contradicts what you just said. That’s the problem with your argument, if they valued what Vattel said then they considered exceptions.

I NEVER SAID THEY DID.

The problem is that your NOT comprehending what was said, they declaring it wrong.

I said -I doubt the Founders thought exceptions had to be made.

167 posted on 01/19/2016 4:54:08 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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To: Dstorm
All Vattel did was summarize the law of nations, which preceded him, and overlay the law of several countries to show, by way of example, how those nations expressed the fundamental ways that a nation defines its citizens.

He's an authority the same way Blackstone is. A legal scholar who observes the operation of law, as the law is set down and enforced by nation states.

The US constitution sets for the law of that nation. It happens to follow the same system that Vattel described, but it does not depend on Vattel for validity. The US constitution is valid on its face. It is the controlling legal authority for all US law.

Under US law, Cruz is a citizen because he has been categorized as such by operation of Act of Congress. He is not a citizen by operation of the constitution, except the constitution, in the 14th amendment, says that those who are naturalized and subject to the jurisdiction of the US are citizens of the US.

I know you reject those statements, but all of them are statements of fact. Settled law, except to the obtuse and those who are ignorant of the law.

170 posted on 01/19/2016 5:02:09 AM PST by Cboldt
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