Born in the USA: The Trump-Cruz Birther Battle Rages On

Rush Limbaugh.com ^ | January 11, 2016 | Rush Limbaugh

[Finny]

We were told that even though she was an American citizen from birth, as we were “natural born American citizens”, that she would not be eligible to run for President of the USA.

Sounds to me like whoever told you that was full of crap.

[dforest]

Baloney. A reporter asked Trump about Cruz’s NBC issue. Trump had to respond as he did because he went after Obama on his NBC issue.

If he has said any different they would have been screaming that he was giving Cruz a pass.

[dynoman]

I agree but that’s a separate issue.

[Duchess47]

LOL well being from Nevada we know space aliens, he’s not one. ;) (area 51 is here)

[dynoman]

That’s a profound and impeccably logical move.

[Cboldt]

That blockquote from Rotunda has play when the subject is born in the US, but when you change the circumstances of birth to born abroad, Mr. Rotunda's analysis would be remarkably different.

-- I can't imagine a court that would want to take on the issue ... --

I agree with that. If the people want to believe the sun orbits the earth or that people born in one nation are naturally citizens of another, the court is more than happy to step aside and let things roll. They have other things to do.

[lentulusgracchus]

[Rush] It's settled. Cruz's mother was a citizen. Therefore he is. Deal with it.

That's gonna leave a mark.

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Might not leave the kind of mark Rush and Cruz might hope for. Rush jumped it, no doubt. With all those Supreme Court decisions out there, I'm just not going to settle for some guy saying to me "Deal with it." That ain't gonna get it.

Cruz needs a declaratory judgment ... 'course the Dims will jump in with delaying tactics, like they did in Texas in 2012, pleading for continuances until they euchred us in Texas out of any chance to have an impact on the nominating races. But this time, if the Supremes prorogate (like they did in the Texas primary case), I dare the 'Rats to tempt them again by going back to court after being told to back off.

But Cruz needs his day in court to settle this. Contrariwise, Obama fought going to court, which is why I still suspect he has a lot to lose from an open and fair inspection of his bona fides and eligibility for office.

In 12 years of listening to Rush, I've never heard him put a foot wrong until today, but he did. Bad move, Rush.

[Teacher317]

No hypocrisy at all. The requirement is there to ensure that the President is loyal to America. Cruz clearly is, and he is clearly a US citizen. Obama has never been loyal to America, and since we have not been allowed to see if he was enrolled in college as a foreign student, we still cannot be sure if he really is or not. As to how the NBC requirement is interpreted today, I really don’t know. All I know is that the current precedent/president has opened that door that Cruz more than ably fits through, and I want a President who loves traditional America more than he loves being admired.

[Godebert]

Minor V Happersett disappeared off the Net in 2008.

Yup. Not many people know about Justiagate.

[dynoman]

That’s not a legal position - it’s a common sense position. The legal position is the one the democrats will attack. That is what Trump thinks Cruz could clear up now.

[Finny]

And sadly, the opportunists in the Trump camp ... reflect Trump's values, taking an "ends justify the means" approach. If they win and we end up with an ill-mannered deceitful angry big-government functional leftist Republican in the White House, why, that's what it took to "win."

Kind of like "winning" a really ugly lemon of a car.

Opportunists who defy ethics and honor in order to take advantage of an opportunity to "win," are losers. They are losers even when they win.

Trump is a symptom of a very sick and addled populace of "conservatives."

[Uncle Sham]

I have come to the conclusion that the ENTIRE media is owned and totally corrupt. Rush Limbaugh as well as Mark Levin are there to give a sense of balance and make us think we are making headway in getting our nation back. The truth is that just like the rinos in Congress, they are part of the other side, as they lie and deceive about issues such as this. Screw both of them and may they suffer the same fate as all of the traitors among us.

[jacquej]

Could be, but it is what we were told at the time, and considering all the differing legal opinions that have been given, I still don’t have a clue.

If I am to assume that those who think a US citizen mother, and a foreign father - Queen Noor of Jordan’s children are eligible to run for president, and so are Grace Kelly’s children.

For that matter any USA girl who goes over to the mideast, and gives birth to a child fathered by a muslim jihadist is apparently now eligible to run for the oval office.

Is that what you are saying?

[JSDude1]

Trump is one big troll isn’t he, not serious on contesting Cruz on the issues.

[Finny]

Then clearly, your common sense position is that the Democrats can, will, and should guide and manipulate every choice and option conservatives put forth. And I think that is extraordinarily stupid, to put yourself in the position of being so directly manipulated by your enemy at all times over any issue they care to dispute.

Do you really want "common sense," dynoman?

NOPE, you don't. If you did, you would have the common sense to see that the entire natural-born requirement is for one reason only: to prevent a foreigner from becoming president. Obama was eligible (probably, it looks to me, unless he was born in Kenya and at that only because of his mother's young age) though he was raised out of country for the most part, a foreigner in America. That's the way it is.

Common sense says that since Cruz is obviously a home-grown American culturally as well as legally, then this whole kerfluffle is SOLELY a waste of time for those sincerely seeking a great president.

[A CA Guy]

Settled in the 70s, good to go.

[RobbyS]

Trump and others denied that Obama was in fact born in the United States, but really, that is beside the point. Both men were born to American citizens, and it is reasonable to think that the child assumes the status of the mother. It sure did when a child was born to a slave woman. In a country where the rights of the mother over the child are paramount, where the American citizenship of the Mother was never given up, I conclude that Cruz is eligible.

[RummyChick]

In all the time since Obama came onto the scene I knew that it would take a Repulican in the crosshairs to get this settled IF it would ever be settled in my lifetime.

Cruz could do a great service to this country by asking for a declaratory judgment.

People are giving him a pass because of who he is..but pretend for a minute that it is some jihadi family.You might change your tune.

And to say that America would never vote for a jihadi or a commie or a....well that got us Obama.

[Carry_Okie]

I just read parts of Minor v. Happersett, the opinion the caller cited. The case was about whether a woman citizen of the United States deserved the right to vote per the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment. It is thus not an opinion on what constitutes a natural born citizen, and any comment on that topic would therefore be considered dicta. Nevertheless, Under the power to adopt a uniform system of naturalization Congress, as early as 1790, provided "that any alien, being a free white person," might be admitted as a citizen of the United States, and that the children of such persons so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under twenty-one years of age at the time of such naturalization, should also be considered citizens of the United States, and that the children of citizens of the United States that might be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, should be considered as natural-born citizens. IOW it's a BS citation.

[Finny]

For that matter any USA girl who goes over to the mideast, and gives birth to a child fathered by a muslim jihadist is apparently now eligible to run for the oval office. Is that what you are saying?

Is that what you think any of us here who recognize yet another Trump Charade for what it is, are saying? Even you know the answer to that question, and you should blush because you know damned good and well that the answer is "no."

Like Trump, you desperately and emotionally lash out with stupid irrelevant arguments based on deceit -- you know perfectly well that it is only what YOU are saying as you insist on seeing only a small part of the entire context.

Dammit, I am running out of patience for willful stupidity such as you exhibit. READ and inform yourself as to the kinds of requirements made for people in such circumstances. Personally, I think the requirements are too loose in some ways, but the PURPOSE of the requirement is to prevent a foreigner from becoming president, and as obvious as the sun in the sky or the computer screen in front of your nose, Ted Cruz is an AMERICAN culturally as well as technically. Since that is the case, all the rest of this is timewasting crap to try to make it so a lesser guy, Trump, might win over a better man, Cruz.

I have nothing but contempt for people who willfully deceive themselves in order to promote their lousy, lying, angry, inept, shallow candidate.

Norm, a candidate doesn't have to be himself evil to auger evil consequences if he wins. A guy with supporters like these is bound to be a mistake in a position of power.